Making more right click adjustments available inside the inspector
Have it from time to time in mind (last with this discussion: https://musescore.org/en/noteinput_redesign). Without having any skills to contribute code myself and aware of the limited resources of active developers, does it make sense to initiate a discussion about one concern of Tantacrul, mentioned here: https://youtu.be/4hZxo96x48A?t=1050 and: https://youtu.be/4hZxo96x48A?t=1148 - make available adujustments from "right click" into the inspector?
Also mentioned here by @Marc Sabatella: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/developers-handbook/ux-design/design-…
Above instrument change settings and options of the view menu I also could imagine to make available swing settings or the pause adjustments of an section break inside the inspector.
Maybe there are other feature requests before, they are more important to implement (beside fixing bugs)- but maybe this would be also worth in sense of accessibility. Maybe could be a good Google summer of Code project? Thoughts?
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It's too easy for GSoC, maybe a GWoC :-) But yeah, no-brainer that it should happen:
What else is missing?
Interesting thing regarding accessibility, though: right-click menu is actually easier to access via keyboard than fields buried somewhere within the Inspector.
In reply to It's too easy for GSoC,… by Marc Sabatella
If I had to implement it, for me it would be at least a GCoC ;-).
Concerning accessibility (accessing options via right click vs. inspector) your argument sounds plausible. Maybe it's someday possible to define a shortcut to access the properties of an element. Or if I'm not wrong, by open the inspector via F8, switching through the options via "tab" should start inside the inspector and not somewhere else.
Concerning other missing things inside the inspector, what about instrument properties or measure properties? I could (also) imagine, if necessary, to have a button inside the "select" section for it (as it is available i.e. for "notes", grace notes" and "rests" sometimes) or introducing tabs inside the inspector to avoid too much settings inside a dialogue (similar to the graphic application "Gimp") - so the inspector adjustment options don't be overloaded and separate with individual tabs.
In reply to It's too easy for GSoC,… by Marc Sabatella
"What else is missing?"
I'm not sure about "missing", but I find it a continual frustration that adjustments made in the inspector, or any other incremental edits, result in incremental undo steps, whereas an edit involving a dialogue box and OK or APPLY button groups changes into completed functions. This makes it difficult to quickly go back to a state before a given edit. I know there are "reset" buttons for values in the inspector, but these might not be helpful in all cases, particularly if you are trying to undo previous edits on other elements.
I hope I am not hijacking the purpose of this thread; I'm just looking for ways to improve the efficiency of editing as per the inspector.
In reply to "What else is missing?" I'm… by toffle
I think there are several improvements that can made to the inspector and they should all be part of the same project. The two so far and the biggest things that need done.
On the subject of Properties dialogs, I wouldn't be opposed to a staff properties and a measure propertoies button being included in the inspector whenever a measure is selected.
In reply to I think there are several… by mike320
That's a good idea, also the Style, Page Settings, and Score Properties dialogs when nothing is selected.
In reply to That's a good idea, also the… by Marc Sabatella
Good point, that's what's on the context menu when you right click the paper.
In reply to I think there are several… by mike320
+1 for this! I'm currently writing up a proposal with ideas like this in mind. There's a lot of information to move around (based on ideas in this thread, and many others) so I want to do it all as one comprehensive design proposal. Will share for feedback when I think it's in a reasonable state.
In reply to +1 for this! I'm currently… by Tantacrul
But as mentioned, IMHO it needs a good balance that the options for a specific selection are not overloaded inside the inspector. Beyond: just recently were a request of an user to change the instrument (at time only possible via rightclick->staff properties, but not available inside the inspector or menu).
In reply to But as mentioned, IMHO it… by kuwitt
Regarding clutter: absolutely. My aim here will be to reduce the amount of raw parameters we chuck at people and find ways to organise it so everything is clearer.
In reply to "What else is missing?" I'm… by toffle
Quick Q: 'Stave properties' or 'Staff properties'?
In the GB English version of MuseScore, it's inconsistent and both are used. I'm assuming 'Stave' is UK and 'Staff' is US?
In reply to Quick Q: 'Stave properties'… by Tantacrul
Yep, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staff_%28music%29
In reply to Quick Q: 'Stave properties'… by Tantacrul
Indeed, Stave vs. Staff is UK vs. US
In reply to It's too easy for GSoC,… by Marc Sabatella
Concerning "time signature properties": At time also very hidden for me to create a new time signature (AFAIK only possible via master palette). Could imagine a more obvious option inside the inspector or time signature palette.
In reply to Concerning "time signature… by kuwitt
I think I would like to see a time signature properties option that affects only the selected time signature with an s that allows you to apply the changes to all similar time signatures - that is adjusting a 3/4 time signature would only affect all 3/4 times signatures but not 6/8 time signatures.
In reply to Concerning "time signature… by kuwitt
As of 3.3, there is a Create Time Signature button within the Time Signatures palette (upon pressing More).
In reply to As of 3.3, there is a Create… by Marc Sabatella
The button in the palettes isn't active in either the advanced or custom workspace I have. This isn't the same as having access to time signatures properties in the inspector.
In reply to The button in the palettes… by mike320
I agree having time signature properties in Insepctor would be good too - serves a different purpose than the Create button anyhow. It was just responding to the request for the create feature in the palette - it is there and works for me. Not sure what you mean about it not being "active" - it's greyed out?
In reply to I agree having time… by Marc Sabatella
It's grayed out. It gets grayed out when you uncheck allow edit. I should have figured that out before I commented.
In reply to It's grayed out. It gets… by mike320
That's a usability bug I wasn't aware of. I think the original idea of moving it to the inspector is a good one.
A further one I just noticed from a German forum request (https://musescore.org/de/node/298891, see the attached pictures in this thread) would be to have the possibility to select individually notes as stemless (beyond deactivating "visible" for their stems and flags).
In reply to A further one I just noticed… by kuwitt
??? There is already a "stemless" property for notes in the Inspector.
In reply to ??? There is already a … by Marc Sabatella
Yep, under "chords", overlooked it when I quickly looked under "note". So it's all fine.
The discussion now takes place at https://musescore.org/node/296410.
To keep an overview, see also #118086: Eliminate most "Properties" dialogs in favor of Inspector for MuseScore 3.