When is the Euphonium getting its own Musescore_General sound?
As far as I'm concerned, the Euphonium is still using the Tuba sound. The Tuba sound, in it's higher range is very loud and can be heard through an entire orchestra blasting fortissimos.
Sure, there's the option to download a Euphonium soundfont and save that to default but every time you would have to set the Euphonium to that separate sound whenever you make a score. I'm sure there's a workaround for that minor inconvenience but what does become a problem is that the soundfont likely isn't supported by someone on the MuseScore team so any bugs that occur with that sound become the user's problem. In addition, many soundfonts haven't added support for expressive dynamics so I doubt any Euph soundfonts have done so already.
Euphonium may not seem like a standard instrument worth getting its own soundfont yet it is standard within Concert Band, Brass Band, Marching and Drum Core (which is worth mentioning that Baritone Horn is essentially the same sound as the Euphonium), and it appears frequently in Symphony Orchestra music.
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As far as I can tell there's no euphonium in GM, hence no proper slot in a GM compatible soundfont like MuseScore _General
In reply to As far as I can tell there's… by Jojo-Schmitz
Hmm, I'm no programmer but it sounds like a decent idea to redesign the MuseScore soundfonts. I understand the reason for basing it off of GM is for compatibility but seems like it's holding the program back convenience-wise. If I donate or buy pro, I wonder if they'd let me specify what developments that money goes to lol. Also with MIDI 2.0 now, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw an expansion to GM soon (yay!)
In reply to Hmm, I'm no programmer but… by Eric P Szanto
Given the length of time that the GM standard has been out there, and only 128 distinct sounds are allowed by it, and programs and MIDI files all over the world assume them, I'd say the chances of it changing are about those of a revision of the Bible.
In reply to Given the length of time… by [DELETED] 1831606
Maybe they don’t need to update GM per say but they could release a new platform like GM with expansions. That way developers aren’t forced to upgrade and painstakingly fix upgrade related bugs. Most professional programs I’ve seen use GM in tandem with their own system to allow more flexibility. The drawback to this is cross compatibility among programs/keyboards is limited to just GM.
In reply to Given the length of time… by [DELETED] 1831606
And God said “Let there be a narrow part of the electromagnetic spectrum which can be perceived by Man and some beasts (which I will get around to creating - just give me a day or five).“
Eww! The tuba sound is used as a euphonic euphemism for euphonium?!!
In reply to Eww! The tuba sound is used… by Jm6stringer
Euphingered it! bravo!
In reply to Euphingered it! bravo! by [DELETED] 1831606
Phonetically phunny!
In reply to Eww! The tuba sound is used… by Jm6stringer
Yes; It is reasonable that the euphonium be formed in the sub-banks of the Tuba voice.
In reply to Yes; It is reasonable that… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Yes... (and now to be more serious.)
Does Hedsound have anything available for the OP - even if non GM?
I looked, but couldn't find anything using the searchbox.
https://www.hedsound.com/
In reply to Yes... (and now to be more… by Jm6stringer
I did a little research: According to Rol4nd, that sound should be in Trombone's 16th bank.
Unfortunately, it is not available in the Public-Domain or Personal-Sample archives.
Rol4nd has an abandoned 3.5 floppy archive (for old samplers). I did this by changing a sample set inside one of them => (L-5o2 BRASS VOL. 1) (http://llamamusic.com/s50s550/unusual_samples.html) These are not normally available. Requires either hardware or a custom converter.
This address is only accessible here. It is not possible to access from the site navigation: https://www.hedsound.com/p/euphonium-hedsound.html
In reply to I did a little research:… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Thanks, I checked it out:
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Too bad there isn't a software emulator for the old Roland sampler(s).
Those archived sounds of early instruments include rarities like Bowed Psaltery, Crumhorn, Sackbut, Gemshorn, etc.
In reply to Thanks, I checked it out: … by Jm6stringer
Being non-serious again, I should have added that this is a bad time to visit the Euphrates.
In reply to Thanks, I checked it out: … by Jm6stringer
Yes, there are two instruments. But they actually use the same sample set.
With Rol4and's famous sample-shifting technique, two slightly different instrument-tones are produced.
I’m curious, is there any way to make it so the tuba soundfont doesn’t blast the volume in its upper range?
In reply to I’m curious, is there any… by ericpszanto
Probably. But in the meantime you could add softer dynamics to the parts that are too loud. Remove them when you hand the part to real players. I sometimes have 2 scores. One for players and one marked up th way I want for playback.
In reply to Probably. But in the… by bobjp
Instead of two separate scores, why don't you make some of the "playback" markup invisible? Musescore playback will still observe it but it won't print on the score.
In reply to Instead of two separate… by Matthew Schuman
Sure. But sometimes I need notation that I would never hand to real players. Truth be told, I seldom write for real players, anyway. But when I do, I seldom worry about playback. It just depends on the situation.
Last night I was pleased to watch a PBS broadcast of Gerard Schwarz with an all-star orchestra performing Mussorgsky/Ravel - Pictures at an Exhibition. What'd'ya know? A euphonium was necessary! Oh well ... I guess we have no Ravels composing or orchestrating today, and if there are one or two out there they've surely got expensive tools to work with. Can you imagine the score telling the tuba player, "Use trombone mouthpiece, a really tight embouchure, play harmonics an octave higher than written!"
In reply to Last night I was pleased to… by ReneMelek
FWIW.
Some trumpet players have for sure used smaller mouthpieces to play an octave higher.
My slightly older Sibelius lists euphonium, but as marching ensemble. It sounds almost exactly like the non-vibrato trombone. I can't say what other software does for the instrument.
I added an issue for this: #324917: Euphonium uses tuba sound by default, no playback above C5
And another one, w.r.t. general euphonium playback at #324929: Euphonium does not have native sound/playback. #324917: Euphonium uses tuba sound by default, no playback above C5 is a side-effect of the workaround of using tuba for playback.
In reply to And another one, w.r.t… by Riaan van Niekerk
You did see that I posted a euphonium from a different font in one of your threads.
In reply to You did see that I posted a… by bobjp
Hi bobjp. I did, notice, thank you. And apologies for not acknowledging / replying. I have replied to you on Euphonium sound does not exist, keep on tuba or change to trombone.