Deleted Excessive Rests

• Apr 12, 2019 - 04:32

I have about 7 beats in a 4/4 bar I need to get rid of the excessive rests but can't. Even with a cut, it just replaces it with another rest. I get the business about music is either sounds or silence but this is nuts..... I have too many beats in a bar. You need to give users that ability if it's not there now.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 01:39

Don't think of inserting rests. Music is written left to right, just as it is read. So if you want note-rest-note, that's how you should enter it. if you've accidentally entered it wrong, s now you want the second note later, just move it later, using cut and paste. The rest appears automatically.

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• Apr 7, 2020 - 19:59

Which rests don't belong? In order to understand and advise better, we would need you to attach your actual score (or at least a relevant excerpt). common mistake is to skip voice 1, but that voice always needs to be present. So if you don't skip that voice, there should only rarely be unneeded rests - in a multiple-voice context, the rules of notation usually require all voices to be accounted for on all beats, except for a few specific exceptions. And in those few specific cases, you can either press "V" or even delete them with Delete.

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• Apr 8, 2020 - 15:30

Hi Marc. Ièm a newbie and this is the first time I have tried to send a picture of the issue. Hope it gets to you. You will see floating rests. As well there seems to be no way I can put a dynamic on the third beat of a held note. When I try to remove the floating rests my notes disappear. I have greyed some and hope when the music is printed they don't appear. No way can I hear an increase of volume on th music scrap.png e crescendo.

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• Apr 8, 2020 - 17:06

You did manage the picture, but for future reference - normally it's better to attach the score (the actual MSCZ file), not just a picture of it. As it is, though, I can at least partially guess what is happening. You have all these rests in the LH of the piano part that shouldn't be there simply because you appear to have made the common mistake of skipping voice 1. Don't do that. Always enter notes into voice 1 for each staff. So, first step should be to fix that - select the music on that staff - which I'm guessing you put in voice 2 or 4 - and use Tools / Voices to move it to voice 1 where it belongs.

As for the kazoo (?), you shouldn't need those intermediate dynamics at all - simply placing a crescendo on the note should be good. Her'es where the picture doesn't help. If you say it isn't playing back properly otherwise, we'd need the actual score to understand why. Best guess is you chose a sound that doesn't support single note dynamics, and the solution is to change to one that does.

The only time you'd normally need to insert a dynamic in the middle of a held note is if you want it to start with a crescendo then change to diminuendo (or vice versa) within the same note. In those cases, a rest in another voice will indeed be needed, and yes, simply pressing "V' to make it invisible works perfectly. It's still greyed out on screen so you can see it well enough to select it later for further editing, but it won't print. And if you get tired of seeing it on screen, you can turn off display of invisible elements using the View menu.

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• Apr 8, 2020 - 17:18

Yes, each staff has up to four voices. Voice 1 is the default, you have to go out of your way to enter notes in any other voice, such as by using the four colored buttons on the toolbar. Apparently you figured it out at once time, as I see multiple voices used in the piano RH.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 01:38

I very much doubt the problem is with your computer, it's much more likely just not understanding how to use MuseScore properly.

As mentioned, you shouldn't normally ever have too many beats in a measure, so there wouldn't normally be a need to delete extra beats. it's more a very special purpose thing you'd do quite rarely. Wherweas deleting the contents of a measure is something one would do many many many times. That's why the far more common operation (delete contents) gets the simpler shortcut (Delete) while the much more rare operation (remove slice of time completely) requires control.

It's not clear how you got all those extra beats in your measures, but my guess is you tried using Insert (aka "Timewise") mode without understanding what it is for. This is also meant to be an extremely rare thing you use only when you want extra beats in your measure.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 02:38

If you attach your score and explain exactly what you are trying to change about it, we can understand and assist better. As it is, I can merely repeat what I said before: don't think about "inserting" something and having some unspecified number of subsequent things move over for you. Instead, just select the things you want moved and move them.

And keep in mind, if the measure has the correct number of beats, then you can not insert anything - you'd end up with two many beats. Only if something happened and you somehow ended up with a measure with the wrong number of beats - something should never normally happen unless you start messing with commands like insert mode or Ctrl+Delete that are not meant for ordinary editing - would you need to insert anything. In that case, best way to fix that error might be to right-click the measure, Measure Properties, and correct the "Actual duration" to where it started.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 06:36

I can't be any clearer than I've already been. I've posted the score twice now and explained exactly what I'm "trying to change about it". I'm not trying to move anything. As I said, I need a rest at the end of two or three different bars which obviously means I need to insert them. And, not surprisingly they do not have the correct number of beats. They, the rests, are not being inserted in the correct place, ie adjacent to the bar lines.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 08:37

Thanks Mr. Fox. I looked at a couple of the problematic bars and they look OK. I would expect as much as the bars i want to put rests in are in fact tagged with minus signs indicating that I am missing beats. And replenishing the bars with an adequate number of beats is not the problem. What the problem is , is that the rests are not landing in the right spot. I CAN'T WEDGE THEM IN BETWEEN THE LAST NOTE OF A BAR AND THE BAR LINE !!!! Everytime I select a rest and point to the last note in a bar , or the tiny space after the last note but before the bar line and click, the rest is inserted but not where I want it. Instead it is put in between the last two notes of the bar and not the desired last note and bar line. OR Let me put it another way: I don't want 1/4 note, 1/4 note , 1/4 rest, 1/4 note................................................... What I want is 1/4 note, 1/4 note, 1/4 note, 1/4 rest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't get that last 1/4 rest to fit in there if I used a virtual jack hammer. It always lands in the 3rd position, not the desired fourth.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 08:54

I can insert a thousand rests in an existing score. I've done it. Me not being able to insert a rest is not the problem. THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT BEING INSERTED IN THE CORRECT PLACE !!! It jumps to the left, when I click and lands between the last two notes of the bar, which is not where I want it.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 09:10

No. There was nothing wrong with measure 5. I'll post again what I have and you will see the two minus signs on the second line above two of those bars. It is these that I wish to add rests to, in order to make the song sound correct. A quarter rest in the first bar that is in deficit and an eighth rest in the other. Both rests need to terminate the bar they go in.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 09:25

BINGO !! You got it. Now can you tell me how you did that ? And lastly, to clean this up, you can see I'm missing bar lines from those measures that have a plus sign above them. I do not know how i did that but need to put them back in. I'm guessing again it is the measure properties ??

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 09:39

I have tested, and there are two bugs in Timewise input.
They probably explain the difficulties.
Bug 1: impossible to insert a note at the end of the measure. If the last note is selected, you insert before the last note, if the first note of the next measure is selected, you insert in the next measure.
Bug 2: impossible to insert a rest. using keys a, b, c, ... correctly insert notes, but key 0 replaces notes by rest instead of inserting rest.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 10:01

I tried that , to split the first measure into it's two proper 4 beat bars and it worked perfectly and then by some mysterious evil force, it moved it right back to how it was before. So I went back and again right clicked and opened Measure Properties. Again I corrected the Actual measure duration from 16/8 to it's proper 4/4. When i clicked Apply or OK, it gave me my nice first 4/4 bar but it deleted the second half of the former 16/8 bar.This program seems to act on it's own whims.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 17:21

It's possible you accidentally hit Ctrl+Z or clicked the undo button on the toolbar, that's the only thing I can think of that would cause something to go back to how it was before.

Reducing the duration of a measure does indeed remove any notes or rests that no longer fit. If your goal was to keep those but move them to a new measure, then don't use actual duration to shorten the measure - use Tools > Measure > Split Measure Before Selected Note/Rest.

At this point, though, I would actually recommend you start over on this score, and this time do not ever use timewise mode or Ctrl+Delete or Measure Properties. They simply were never meant for the sorts of things you are doing - they are meant for people who actually want measures with the wrong number of beats.

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• Apr 13, 2019 - 17:16

Actually, it would help if you were clearer. You have attached tow different versions of a score, and you haven't said which measure you are trying to insert a rest into, or described exactly how you are trying to do this.

I realize you haven't tried to move anything. That's precisely the problem. You should be moving things, that's exactly how normal inserts are done. You should not be attempting to use the timewise mode, or using ctrl+delete, unless you are deliberately trying to create measures with too many or too few beats. Adding a rest at the end of a bar simply does not make musical sense - it will result in the measure having too many beats. So maybe you are trying to do this to correct an error you made in deleting a beat from the measure (which you should not have done to begin with) - and if so, using Measure Properties allows you to correct the length, no need to think about inserting anything.

If that doesn't help, then again, if you tell us precisely what you are trying to do - which measure of which version of the score you want to add a rest to, and what you want to happen to the following notes - we can help.

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• Sep 30, 2020 - 07:02

I have another question: The answer Cholly was ably to fine (Ctrl or command+delete) was unable to solve the problem, it made it worse. This is due to the fact that EIGHT SIXTEENTHS IS NOT EQUIVALENT TO SIXTEEN SIXTEENTHS, which is what it did.
I am using 4/4 time, which means four quarter notes fit into a bar. The problem here is that it fitted (somehow) six quarters into a 4/4 bar, and using that tool made it even worse, as it just ended the barline with 8/16.

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