Time Signature-Reg.
Can the notes in the bass clef count more notes than the what the time signature signifies?
For example in a 6/ 8 time signature, the treble clef has 6 quavers per bar. Whether the bass clef can have 12 quavers per bar?
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See: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/time-signature#local-time-signatures
if that's what you mean.
Welcome on board
In reply to See: by Shoichi
Thank you,
![Time Sig.JPG]( "Time Sig.JPG")
I meant something like attached snapshot.
In reply to Thank you, I meant something by karthiks25
See: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/voices
In reply to See: by Shoichi
Sorry.
But I am not using mscz.
I just wanted to clarify whether notes in bass clef are ok?
Is that correct to have 12 quavers in a 6/8 time signature?
In reply to Sorry. But I am not using by karthiks25
Where do you see 12 8th successive notes in any measure of that image? I don't. And it won't be right either
In reply to Sorry. But I am not using by karthiks25
This is absolutely correct. There is no 12 quavers here in a 6/8 time signature: there is 6 quavers in Voice1, AND the same duration (6 other quavers, but written in dotted half note) in another voice, eg Voice2.
This is the principle of polyphony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphony
The note values of the different voices do not add to each other, but they merge into one another.
Re-read the chapter of the handbook regarding to the "Voices"
And it would be a good idea to download MuseScore. :)
For testing the attached file, and better understand things.
In reply to This is absolutely correct. by cadiz1
Bar 2 consists of :1 dotted minim note and 2 dotted crotchet notes.
1 dotted minim = 3 crotchets = 6 quavers
1 dotted crotchet = 3 quavers...So, 2 dotted crotchets = 6 quavers
Adding up, there are 6 quavers + 6 quavers = 12 quavers.
Please correct me if I am wrong?
In reply to Bar 2 consists of :1 dotted by karthiks25
true only in an absolute sense 6 + 6
in a relative sense (polyphony) 6X1
In reply to Bar 2 consists of :1 dotted by karthiks25
Misunderstanding always. You doesnt's must adding up:
It is not: 6 + 6
It is:
6 (Voice 1)
AND
6 (Voice2)
In reply to Misunderstanding always. You by cadiz1
@Shoichi:
Thanks. That's a vivid explanation using the software. Cleared.
@cadiz1:
Now, I understood why you have been using the term voice in your previous reply. Thanks.
@shoichi and @cadiz1:
In aural, it is fine to say of two different voices.
In piano, how to play the two notes of same pitch written separately as in this case?
Should one not lift the hand and the dotted crotchet g is sustained as it passes through the dotted minim and till the end of next bar? If that is the case why not denote that using a single dotted minim note only, for piano playing?
In reply to @Shoichi: Thanks. That's a by karthiks25
Thanks for the feedback. I'm just an end user and I do not know the music, but I imagine you differently move the fingers of the same hand (?)
You can take a look at the handbook: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/fingering
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Try to download and use MuseScore; https://musescore.org/en/download. Its settings faithfully respect the rules of musical writing
In reply to Thanks for the feedback. I'm by Shoichi
Aural (Sony?) A.I. as: http://www.washington.edu/news/2016/11/30/what-makes-bach-sound-like-ba…
In reply to @Shoichi: Thanks. That's a by karthiks25
You are supposed to sustain the dotted minim G the whole time - do not lift your finger off it at all.
The reason it is written with the same pitch twice is that *logically* - which is to say, *musically* - there are two different things going on at once here. One "voice" is sustaining the G, the other is playing the dotted crotchet line you see (G-B-C-B). Even though on the piano this means that *physically* you only play the G once, the composer is trying to show you that there really are two independent things going on, so hopefully your interpretation can somehow subtly make that clear.
This sort of thing is an absolutely essential aspect of piano playing, not just this piece but practically any but the most simplistic of pieces.
In reply to You are supposed to sustain by Marc Sabatella
Thank you Marc and Jojo
I think the way to identify this kind of an occurrence is to note down the time signature and look into the note counts that comply with the same...
In reply to Thank you Marc and Jojo I by karthiks25
It's normally pretty clear just from the way the notes overlap and how the stems point in opposite directions. Eventually you'll get used to it and recognize it instantly.
In reply to It's normally pretty clear by Marc Sabatella
Thanks for that tip..
I have not noted it... But, is it ok for the top notes to have a stem pointing in the upward direction?
Usually notes above third line points in downward direction unless a group of quavers, semi-quavers occur where that rule is often not followed strictly.
In reply to Thanks for that tip.. I have by karthiks25
In multi voice context voice 1 stems go up, voice 2 stems go down
In reply to Thanks for that tip.. I have by karthiks25
That's exactly what I meant. Stems pointing in opposite directions like that is a dead giveaway that multiple voices are involved, because the rules for stem direction with multiple voices. No need to actually check the time signature - when you see notes overlapping in time like this, with the upper notes having stems up and the lower notes having stems down, that means there are two different voices.
In reply to Bar 2 consists of :1 dotted by karthiks25
There are no 12 8th successive note values, but 2 times 6.
The term 'voice' has multiple meanings unfortunatly. voiuce like Alot, Soprane etc, human voice singing is one, but here we're using the other meaning: rhythmical independant set of notes played at the same time. In other software produces they are called layers.
See also https://musescore.org/en/handbook/glossary-0
Voice: Polyphonic instruments like Keyboards, Violins, or Drums need to write notes or chords of different duration at the same time on the same staff. To write such things each horizontal succession of notes or chords has to be written on the staff independently. In MuseScore you can have up to 4 voices per staff. Not to be confused with vocalists, singing voices like soprano, alto, tenor and bass, which are better viewed as instruments.