Figured bass should support placement property

• Jun 14, 2019 - 20:19
Reported version
3.1
Type
Functional
Frequency
Many
Severity
S5 - Suggestion
Reproducibility
Always
Status
active
Regression
No
Workaround
Yes
Project

The attached file shows figured bass notation in a continuo part. The first eight instances have been moved above the stave by hand one at a time. From the Format > Style > Figured bass menu the options Size: 9.0 pt, Vertical position -5.00sp, Line height: 100%, Alignment: Top, Style: Historic have been chosen. The figures stay below the stave. The "Vertical position" setting was changed from -5 to -4 to +2 to +4, and the figures did not move.

Attachment Size
.Concerto, Prinz Johann Ernest.mscz, 20.34 KB

Comments

Title Figured bass location top / bottom does not change. Figured bass location top / bottom should have placement property
Severity S4 - Minor S5 - Suggestion
Type Graphical (UI) Functional
Workaround No Yes

You've attached your backup file (starts with period, ends with comma) rather than your actual score, so I'm not necessarily seeing what you were seeing (there are only three figured bass elements in the score you attached, and they do not seem to have been moved at all). And if I move one manually, it works fine, and this stays correct if I save & reload.

However, I think I can guess what you are talking about - there is no obvious way to set the default position of figured bass to be above the staff. That's because unlike other text elements, figured bass has no "placement" (above/below) setting but only the single "offset" setting. So we should definitely considering adding placement.

Meanwhile the workaround is to set the offset where you want it using the style setting, but then use the Inspector to set the default "Minimum distance" to be -999 (ie, set one to -999, then hit "Set as style". This tells autoplace it's OK to cross the staff.

These comments have been screenshot and attached as a PNG file in case the formatting is upset in posting to the Forum.

Actual score now attached. The Format > Style > Figured Bass window does include an option for Alignment Top or Bottom, and that is the option that I had intended to write about. It doesn't work, basically.

Also, on a separate issue, the figures 6 5 on the same note are rendered by MuseScore as 65
4 # 4#

The "4#" is rendered in the centre of the second line of the text area.

However, in performance 6 5 sounds 6 followed by 5 on the same note.
4 # 4 #

rather than 6 to 5
4# 4#

                                                                                                                                                     ____

If you wanted the performer to play 6 5 you'd have to write it, or 6 5 or perhaps 6 5
4# 4# 4#__ 4#

MuseScore will not allow the 6 5 nor the 4 # to have a gap between, nor to left-justify the 4#.

That's not 65 over 4#, that's a 6 (over) 4 figure followed by as much time-interval as necessary by a 5 (over) 3, i.e., the resolution of a 6-4 chord in the expected way. Enter the 6 (over) 4 figure, when still "in it" type ctrl-3 (16th note) or ctrl 4 (eighth note) or whatever you need, then enter the 5 (over) #.

"Alignment" and "Placement" are two totally different things. Placement is just a set above or below the staff - see for instance Format / Style / Staff Text, where you can control whether staff text appears above or below the staff by default, and then separately, how far above and below. "Alignment" is about fine-tining the position from there - once it is decided whether to place something above or below the staff, and then how far, alignment controls whether it's the top of the text or the bottom of the text that is aligned to that point.

Figured bass is pretty much universally placed below the staff, which is one reason there is not currently a placement setting for figured bass. Do you have some special reason to want to place it above?

Regarding the inability to create blank lines, that's a bug, already reported as #289431: [Regression] Ctrl+space does not leave empty line in Figured Bass

Mea culpa. The instructions have been read. However, some aspects don't appear to work in the score that I have created.

The score reflects original parts from 1714 : I wanted to go for Urtext. Where a continuo part is written on one stave, the figures often appear above the stave, especially in handwritten parts. Easier to read the figures when they are above the stave. Some printed publications go above (Bach Riemenschneider, "371 Harmonized Chorales"; R. O. Morris's "Figured harmony at the keyboard", e.g.). Further, where the bass has been realized there is often no room for figures above, and it is necessary to put them below.

OK, good to know there are common reasons to want figures above the staff. So the placement property is definitely something we should consider supporting.