Hairpin not working across tied notes

• Dec 19, 2019 - 03:28

I have a note that is tied across four measures, with a diminuendo hairpin, going from mp to ppp.

During playback, the notes stay at mp volume, and do not decrease in volume.

MuseScore tied hairpin.jpg

Am I missing something?

David D.


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That should work, using the right sound from the right soundfont and the right synthesizer settings (right here means default), if if doesn't for you, please share thw score

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Attached is the .mscz score. Measures 9 thru 12 is the first example of the problem. The mp volume is held across all four measures. You can prove that the terminating ppp is indeed working, simply by deleting the mf in Measure 13, which then lowers the following passage to a whisper.

Note that this piece is not quite ready for me to publish on MuseScore, because I am still developing dynamics and modifying chords. I will upload it as soon as I am done.

I am using:
OS: Windows 10 (10.0), Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.0.5.5992, revision: 58dd23d.
I am using the default sound font and default synthesizer settings.

Thanks in advance, Jojo, for your help with the hairpin problem.

Regards,
David D.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Thank you Jojo and Dilon. It works fine now, in 3.3.4.

I was reading up on SND in the manual. It looks very versatile, but not as simplistic as I would have hoped. I was hoping for a single swell articulation symbol, optionally with a fixed dynamic level symbol (e.g. ff) in the middle of it. However, I will try to understand the current implementation, which I am sure took you many weeks of cogitation to develop. Thank you.

I am using the extra voice of rests approach, and it is working fine for me, after adjusting the initial hairpin length.

I split the extra voice into two half-rests, assign the first rest to pp and the second rest to f, followed by a pp on the rest in the subsequent measure.

I then click on the first half-rest and select a crescendo hairpin. Instead of its extending only to the next half-rest, it extends to the end of the measure. I then do a diminuendo hairpin for the second rest, and that one displays as expected.

MuserScore Hairpin problem 2.jpg

On playback, before the hairpin length adjustment, of course it does not work correctly.

I then adjust the length of the crescendo hairpin, using shift-leftarrow, and it works perfectly.

MuseScore hairpin problem 3.jpg

But I do not understand why the crescendo hairpin is so long initially, before you adjust it.

Also, notice the placement of the fixed dynamic symbols relative to the hairpins. In the first swell example, the rests are Voice 1, and the melody is Voice 4. In the second swell example, the rests are Voice 4 and the melody is Voice 1. It would make sense musically for the melody to be Voice 1 throughout the piece, but I need to flip it for the swells in order to get the dynamics displacements to line up with each other.

Regards,
David D.

In reply to by dddiam

The normal way to apply a hairpin or other line is to first select the range you want to apply it to, then double-click the icon or use the shortcut (eg, "<" for crescendo). Then MuseScore knows exactly how long you want it. If you use drag and drop, then MuseScor has to guess, and it guesses "until the end of the measure".

For the specific case of a swell - so the crescendo doesn't even take the full duration of a single note, there may be no easy way to select the range first, so you may still have to resort to workarounds in those cases. But for the majority of hairpins, the method I described works great with no adjustment required.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I understand why you implemented dynamics the way that you did. They are extremely versatile and customizable. Quite sophisticated.

I was impressed when I stumbled over the hairpin dynamic method dropdown list, but now I cannot find it again. Is there anything special that I have to do to get that dropdown list?

David D.

(I am using: OS: Windows 10 (10.0), Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.3.4.9066, revision: 7684abe).

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thanks, Mark. I found it in the Inspector.

I had thought that I had seen it pop up on the Pallet, complete with little envelope curve shapes, but perhaps I remembered wrong.

Also, I see a Pallet choice for "Dynamic+hairpin". What is that for? It appears in the inspector that the mf is only text.

David D.

In reply to by dddiam

The palettes have never had anything but simple icons for adding elements to your score.

Dynamics + hairpin is a convenient way of attaching a dynamic to the end of a hairpin when there is no specific note to attach it to. I guess by "only text", you mean it isn't currently honored by the the playback, but that's not the main point of MuseScore to begin with.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thank you for clarifying these new features. I love them.

I puzzle over why anyone would purchase one of the two cost-prohibitive, commercial music score editors, when MuseScore is not only affordable (even a free version), but IMO superior. MuseScore aggressively develops new, valuable features, provides frequent releases (plus nightlies), and responds quickly to users' questions, problems, feature requests and suggestions. MuseScore involves user input and discussion in determining the next priority and form of features and fixes. Additionally, MuseScore provides a vehicle for users to share their arrangements and compositions.

Hats off and great appreciation to the MuseScore development and support team, which includes both MuseScore staff and active community participants.

Thank you!

David D.

In reply to by dddiam

Yes, but as Jeetee said, there NO pro features in the desktop software. The desktop software is completely FREE and only free.
The pro features concern the sharing platform and the mobile app used in link with that sharing platform. Perhaps it was already perfectly clear for you, then sorry for having insisted, but that's to avoid confusion by future readers of this thread.

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