Mordent symbol is wrong in MS 3.6
Just downloaded 3.6, and there is no mordent in the ornaments menu, instead there are two inverted mordents side by side. The one on the left is supposed to be a mordent, and the tooltip still says it's a mordent.
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Nope, not here. I guess you'd not using the default workspaces but a user modified one?
In reply to Nope, not here. I guess you… by Jojo-Schmitz
No, not that I recall. But even if it were modified, why would the wrong symbol appear with a wrong tooltip assigned to it? It's easy enough to delete the symbol and add the correct one. Just reporting what I find. Scores made in previous versions using the mordent do display properly with the new font applied. So no idea what went wrong with the palette.
In reply to No, not that I recall. But… by .function_
I have two instances of what I have all my life called "mordent", one tooltipped "mordent" and the other "inverted mordent". I am not using a goofy workspace (3.6, Mac). They both create mordents (high, low, high) in sound. There is a problem here.
In reply to I have two instances of what… by BSG
And I know why that happens: SMuFL renamed it! See https://github.com/w3c/smufl/issues/119
MuseScore just followed it, when updating to SMuFL 1.3, see https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/6543.
Stiil the workspace should be correct and it is for me (after a fresh 'install' of a PortableApp, so not using any 'inherited' workspace from a previous version)
In reply to And I know why that happens:… by Jojo-Schmitz
"lower upper lower", which I call "inverted mordent", appears with the tooltip "short trill" under "More".
How can this be deconfused?
In reply to "lower upper lower", which I… by BSG
See above. They switched in SMuFL 1.3, for some bizarre reason
In reply to See above. They switched in… by Jojo-Schmitz
I didn't ask how it got confused, I asked what we can do about it.
In reply to I didn't ask how it got… by BSG
Factory reset? As said: I don't see it after a clean install
In reply to See above. They switched in… by Jojo-Schmitz
Oh, I see. Yes this was a huge discussion during the development of Dorico which I took a small part in. The symbol without the vertical line is correctly called a short trill or praller. The one with the line is a mordent. But, in a number of sources the symbols have been wrongly named, hence a lot of confusion over what the right names are. The Dorico team has done a very thorough job though. I trust they got it right.
In reply to Oh, I see. Yes this was a… by .function_
No need for factory reset. Just do this:
P.S. I am one of those persons who somewhere along the way learned incorrect names for these ornaments. I'm not alone, which is why MuseScore up until now has also used the wrong names, which I was continuing when reporting the problem. Clear as mud! :D
In reply to No need for factory reset… by .function_
Also an option of course.
In reply to "lower upper lower", which I… by BSG
Just to be clear, the "short trill" is the "Praller", which when set to baroque playback (which should be the default for all ornaments in my opinion), properly results in "upper, written, upper, written".
In reply to Just to be clear, the "short… by .function_
I'd vote for that (default).
In reply to I'd vote for that (default). by BSG
No way, we use the SMuFL names.
In reply to No way, we use the SMuFL… by Jojo-Schmitz
We're talking about playback. We always have to select our ornaments and change them to "baroque" instead of "default". We're saying, the "default" playback should be baroque.
In reply to We're talking about playback… by .function_
Yes (or at least customizable, or at least per score).
In reply to Yes. by BSG
Ah, I see, sorry
See also #316273: 'Mordent' vs. 'Inverted mordent' vs. 'Short trill'