Note Input: Rest - MuseScore 4
What is the MuseScore equivalent for Note Input: Rest from MuseScore 3? I can't find anything similar to it in the shortcuts, and if I'm inputting notes, I want to also be able to insert rests where needed.
I know, I know, rests are so 90s....
The shortcut for rest on standard staves hasn't changed - it remains 0. Some people have issues with the numeric keyboard, so try to the standard number keys.
On tablature, the shortcut is semicolon, but this currently not working, you'd need to add a note then delete it to as a hacky workaround.
In reply to The shortcut for rest on… by Marc Sabatella
No, Enter Rest isn't the same function. It changes the the notes already placed, instead toggling the mouse between a note and a rest that you can click to place on the stage in the a spot you want it; determining the duration of the rest using the same keys you use to select the duration of note when toggled to a rest. It was literally "Note Input" but for Rests and it's not there; which is dumb. I used that ALL the time, because, you know, music includes rests....
In reply to No, Enter Rest isn't the… by Brian Reilly
Hmm, somehow I'm still not understanding. 0 enters a rest. Is that not what you want to to? You mention clicking, not sure why you want to press a shortcut and click, but if you want to click to enter a rest instead of simply press 0, use right-click to enter a rest. It accomplishes the same thing as pressing 0. So I guess I'm still not understanding, but maybe that helps? If not, please explain in more detail what you are trying to do other than simply enter a rest at the current cursor position.
In reply to Hmm, somehow I'm still not… by Marc Sabatella
From what I understand, he probably does the same note input as me. Since I usually use MuseScore for transcribing existing sheets of music:
1. Toggle 'Rhythm mode"
2. Input all notes via Rhythm mode (meaning these notes will all be inputted without pitch)
3. After the rhythm has been transcribed, toggle 'Pitch mode'
4. Input pitch on the already transcribed notes with their proper durations.
In MS 3, the '0' button toggles 'rest input mode'. Meaning we press '0' to turn on 'rest input mode' input the appropriate rest duration, say '4' for a quarter rest. Then we press '0' to turn off 'rest mode' and continue typing in the notes.
In MS 4, the '0' button no longer does this. Instead, it inputs a rest based on the previous duration.
For example, I see on the score I am copying a quarter note followed by an eighth rest then followed by a half note (♩ 𝄾 𝅗𝅥). What I usually press in MS 3 to replicate this is:
1. 'Rhythm mode'
2. '5' button (to input a quarter note)
3. '0' button (to turn on 'rest input mode')
4. '4' button (to input an eighth rest)
5. '0' button (to turn off 'rest input mode')
6. '6' button (to input a half note)
In MS 4, steps 1 to 4 yield a quarter note followed by a quarter rest and followed by a eighth note (♩ 𝄽 𝅘𝅥𝅮)
A workaround to this problem in MS 4 is to click on the rest button on the toolbar. Because the rest button toggles 'rest input mode'. From what I understand from this GitHub post (https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/14654), the '0' button no longer functions as a shortcut to the rest button but instead it functions as a rest input button instead of a toggle.
I personally prefer the functionality of '0' like in MS 3 since it has good synergy with a numpad. I've been using this method since I think MS 2. I could write the rhythm of an entire piece without looking at Musescore while3 maneuvering around my numpad like a stenographer on a machine. After inputting the rhythm, I put in the proper pitch.
In reply to Hmm, somehow I'm still not… by Marc Sabatella
It's not the same function between Musescore 3 and 4. In 4, 0 inserts a rest into the next place in the staff. In Musescore 3, 0 would toggle between the note input and the input tool, so that you could use the mouse to select where you're placing the rest. And you could change the duration of the rest by changing the duration of the note then toggle to the rest input. The feature is still in the toolbar, but it's not an option in the keyboard shortcuts. The function assigned to 0 by default is a different, if albeit tangentially related function.
You can see a screen capture of what I'm talking about in 3, here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Fj6DPw0gW-J1Q71SzvHpI0cBNYnhcrr/view?…
I tried to upload it, but it won't accept video attachments.
In reply to It's not the same function… by Brian Reilly
I think you may be a confused. 0 is the shortcut to immediately enter a rest in MuseScore 3, also MuseScore 2. This hasn’t changed in at least ten years.
If you were experiencing a bug unique to your system where 0 somehow failed to enter the rest immediately and you were needing to work around it by clicking somewhere, I don’t recall any other reports of a bug like that, but anyhow, it seems to be fixed - 0 is now doing what it was supposed to do all along, enter a rest immediately, not need for strange workarounds involving clicking.
And yes, the number keys work to select the duration of the rest to be entered, same in MU3 and MU4. No changes there either. Entering an eighth rest is “4 0” exactly as it long has been - no clicking required.
If you want to show a video of the MU3 bug that was forcing ton to take multiple steps to do what 0 normally does in one step, best to upload to YouTube and post a link here. But no need, really, that apparent bug is already fixed.
If you want to use to use the mouse to place rests instead of the keyboard, simply right click the desired place in the score - no need to press any keys at all, or use any toolbar icons. This also is unchanged between MU3 and MU4. No need for two steps to do what MuseScore has always allowed you to do in only one.
In reply to I think you may be a… by Marc Sabatella
I'm not confused, but this thread did go on a tangent that's conflating two separate things. Based on your previous assumption that I was talking about the 0 shortcut, I MISSPOKE by assuming you knew what I was talking about; but double checking the defaults, I see that 0 is in fact assigned to Enter Rest, which is a COMPLETE DIFFERENT FUNCTION.
That not withstanding, and as the flipping subject makes explicitly clear, I'm talking about the function called Note Input: Rest, which is and always has been the feature I'm talking about. And IS in the MuseScore 3 custom keyboard options, as well as in the toolbar and does all the blasted things I described; it's not a "bug". It's a distinct feature, as show in the screen shots. It's there for keyboard shortcut in Musescore 3 and in the toolbar, but only in the toolbar in 4, and NOT an option for a keyboard shortcut. There's no comparable Rest shortcut option either.
In reply to I'm not confused, but this… by Brian Reilly
I was confused becuase you explicitly said that 0 wasn't entering a rest for you in MU3, when it definitely does, that's why I thought you were describing a bug.
So, now that you have clarified, I'm actually more confused, I'm afraid.
I now understand that for some as-yet-unexplained reason, you reassigned 0 from its normal efficient function of immediately entering a rest, and changed it to instead perform the entirely unnecessary extra step of toggling a button that is not needed at all for any reason whatsoever. What I'm confused about is, why? Why waste an extra step toggle that unnecessary button, when inputting a rest could have been done by simply pressing 0 in the first place, rather than first pressing 0 then entering the rest in a separate step? Or, if you prefer using the mouse, why not simply right-click the score without first performing the unnecessary extra step of pressing a key to toggle that unnecesary button? Again, that button is not necessary. It serves no useful function, and hasn't for 10 years. You can enter rests in a single keystroke or a single click, without ever touching that button, or using a custom keyboard shortcut to toggle it.
Maybe an example would help. To enter a quarter note C, quarter rest, quarter note D, quarter rest, it's actually as simple as typing "C 0 D 0". Or if you prefer using the mouse, it's as simple as "LeftClick RightClick LeftClick RightClick". As near as I can tell, what you are describing would require you to do "Left (move hand to keyboard) 0 (move hand back to mouse) LeftClick (move hand back to keyboard) 0 (move hand back to mouse) LeftClick (move hand back to keyboard) 0 (move hand back to mouse) LeftClick". Is that seriously what you are wanting, rather than just C-0-D-0 or Left-Right-Left-Right?
It seems you might not be understanding just how simple rest input actually is and has been all along - you somehow managed to stumble on the least efficient method possible. I'm trying to help you see how much more efficient rest input actually can be!
In reply to I was confused becuase you… by Marc Sabatella
Jesus tap dancing Christ....🤦♂️
a ) stop putting word in my mouth. I explain very clearly in the first two posts of this thread, INCLUDE THE TITLE OF THE THREAD exactly what I meant, and you were the one who brought up "0". And when I came back this morning to follow-up, I saw YOUR earlier post and mistakenly thought you were talking about what I was describing. You know, BECAUSE I'VE USED THE FUNCTION NAME THIS WHOLE FRACKING TIME. My last post acknowledge that that was not correct and tried to explain that that was NOT what we are talking about. I don't know how you don't understand that, but that's on YOU.
It would be like going to a restaurant and ordering a salad and the waiter says, "I don't understand what you want. You want a burger?" "No," I say, pointing to the menu, "a salad. Like it shows right here, that you offer. A salad, which has no meat, no bun; just lettuce, tomatoes, carrots, etc." "So you want to CUSTOMIZE your HAMBURGER and remove the meat and bun and add other items... I don't understand?"
B ) I didn't flipping assign 0 to ANYTHING! YOU brought up zero, however many month back. Drop it.
I drew you a proverbial picture in the last post by uploading MULTIPLE screenshots that literally pointed to what I'm talking about.
There is a function listed among the shortcuts in MuseScore 3 as Note Input: Rest. It toggles the Rest function from the toolbar so that, as the name suggests, you can input a rest the same way you do a note. This should not be a novel concept, BECAUSE IT WORKS THE SAME WAY AS INPUTING NOTES! Most of the time I'm using MuseScore to edit music, and rather than clicking the buttons from the toolbar for note durations or whether it's a note or a rest, it's quicker and more convenient while I'm working to operate the keyboard with one hand while I use the mouse with the other. Tap, click, done. I want the precision of being able to hit a key on my keyboard and click my mouse wherever I want my rest. Which key? None of your fraking business. Whichever key is convenient for me to use quickly, which is the point of a customization, let alone a shortcut. Which key I'm using is not even remotely the point.
TO REITERATE, the whole point of this thread, from the very start, from the subject line through infinity, the Note Input: Rest function, which I must unequivocally spell out, I did not create and was part of the default installation of MuseScore 3, is not there as a function to apply a shortcut to in MuseScore 4, even though the button in the toolbar that does the same thing is. And because you were asking for feedback of features that were lost between MuseScore 3 and 4, THIS is an option that I would be very pleased to see brought back in future versions or updates of Musescore, because without it, newer versions of MuseScore are much less useful to me.
In reply to Jesus tap dancing Christ… by Brian Reilly
To help clarify this thread, here is the standard shortcut to enter a rest of the current duration - as defined in Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts:
MS3: Enter rest (default 0)
MS4: Enter rest (default 0 or Num+0)
This is the method I and many others have always used for entering rests, and I think that this is why Marc Sabatella concentrated on the use of zero in his replies.
At this point, MS3 and MS4 diverge a bit with other shortcuts relating to rests:
I admit that the shortcut Note input: Rest is missing in MS 4. But my question to the OP is this:
What functionality are you expecting from Note input: Rest that is not already provided by Enter rest?
In reply to Jesus tap dancing Christ… by Brian Reilly
Please calm down and be respectful. I am doing my absolute best to help you here.
As a person who was directly involved in the development of the "0" shortcut as well as the right-click method of entering rests, and as the person who literally wrote the book on how to use MuseScore, I can assure you: what you are doing is not how Musescore was intended to be used. I can also assure you, what you are doing is far less efficient than the actual documented and supported methods for entering rests.
What confused me, then is that what you are apparently describing is so completely unorthodox, also so completely inefficient, and also the fact that you earlier seemed to be implying the lack of this completely unorthodox method of rests somehow meant you couldn't enter rests at all (your statement, "if I'm inputting notes, I want to also be able to insert rests where needed"). Hopefully you can understand how this could be confusing!
So anyhow, I apologize for not understanding your incredibly unique situation, but again, I'd like to help you learn to use MuseScore more efficiently - the way it was always intended to be used.
There are three documented and supported methods of entering rests, each having their purpose:
1) the most efficient by far: simply pressing 0, same as you'd press a letter name to enter a note
2) for people who don't want to use keyboard shortcuts, right-click enters a rest, just as left-click enters a note
3) for beginners who haven't yet learned about keyboard shortcuts or about right-click but want to find a way to enter a rest, a toolbar button is provided for that purpose - not to be efficient (it absolutely is not), but to be easily discoverable
It was simply never intended that someone with the expertise to not just know about keyboard shortcuts, but also how to customize them, would use this to create a keyboard that has none of efficiency advantages of the supported "0" shortcut, and also none of the discoverability advantages of the supported toolbar button, and then develop a unique workflow that relies on the custom shorcut.
Now, I'm not saying that it would be impossible to add that shortcut customization back. It wasn't reimplemented simply because, as stated, no one had any idea that anyone would have ever used this command the way you are. Meanwhile, I urge you to consider using one of the documented, supported, and much more efficient methods I am describing here, regardless of which version of MuseScore.
In reply to Please calm down and be… by Marc Sabatella
For the love of God, you people are going to give me a rage stroke. If you want respect, stop with the flipping condescension. I am very much using the program as designed. What I'm talking about is the entire purpose of the Rest button on the toolbar!!!!!!!! How else are you supposed to use that button? It is no more or less than THAT function, but with the option to use it with a keyboard shortcut, which was available in Musescore 3. 0 is not what I want, stop trying to push that; it doesn't work the way you think I need it to work; and I am sick and tired of repeating myself on that.
In reply to For the love of God, you… by Brian Reilly
I wasted way too much time trying to make 0 work in MuseScore 4, before going back to Musescore 3, so could actually get done what I needed to get done. 0 kept putting rests where I did not need or want them; or at the wrong duration. It was not remotely convenient to use or save any amount of time.
In reply to I wasted way too much time… by Brian Reilly
Just as with notes, you enter rests left to right, and you select the duration before pressing 0. It works perfectly once you realize this, and again, is by far the most efficient method of entering rests. But if you prefer clicking, once again, just right-click. This does exactly the same thing you were previously doing in three steps (press toolbar button/shortcut, then click, then click toolbar button again to return to entering notes), except in stead of requiring three steps, it requires only one.
In reply to Just as with notes, you… by Marc Sabatella
I am done with this conversation. And yes, you have been condescending. Ignoring everything I've said and focusing on your previous 0 shortcut, when I keep saying it doesn't work the way I need it to, is condescending; because you keep acting like you know better what I need than what I'm telling you. Saying things like, "This does exactly the same thing you were previously doing in three steps (press toolbar button/shortcut, then click, then click toolbar button again to return to entering notes)" ignoring that that is NOT what I've been doing, and that I've been using a shortcut to, you know, do all of that quicker, is condescending. You saying that a prominent button assigned to the TOOLBAR is for "beginners" and "shouldn't be needed after a week" is condescending. You're seeming inability to grasp the core concept of customization or that some less common features, like the Note Input: Rest function or the Save Icon (🙄) have no use to other people, because you don't personally use them, is just willfully ignorant.
If you're only going to design a program to have the functions and features that you want and that you think are useful or are the "correct" way of doing it, why even offer alternatives; or the ability to change the default keyboard short cuts; or assign shortcuts to functions that don't come with a default?
In reply to I am done with this… by Brian Reilly
Sorry to hear I haven't been able to assist. For the record, I am not ignoring what you are saying - I am simply trying to help you, by showing you the more efficient way to do things, and explaining how the rare use case you describe slipped through the cracks. Should you ever change your mind and decide you'd like to learn more about how to use MuseScore more effectively, we stand by ready to assist as always!
In reply to For the love of God, you… by Brian Reilly
Please, again, try to be respectful. No one is being condescending. We are simply trying to help you use MuseScore successfully.
Again, the rest button on the toolbar is there for one reason and one reason only: for beginners to have a way of entering rests before they learn the more efficient methods. It is not intended to be something people would continue to use after their first week or so of using MuseScore, once they start learning the shortcuts. But for those who do continue using this button, it was expected they'd actually be clicking it. No one ever expected anyone would actually attach a shortcut to it, because that would serve no useful purpose given that rests can already be entered by shortcut much more efficiently.
Anyhow, now that we have explained the more efficient ways of entering rests - pressing 0 to enter the rest directly, or right-clicking to enter the rest directly, no need to mess with the toolbar button at all - is there a reason you aren't simply switching to one of these much more efficient methods?
@ Brian Reilly... You wrote...
What is the MuseScore equivalent for Note Input: Rest from MuseScore 3?
I can't find anything similar to it in the shortcuts, and if I'm inputting notes, I want to also be able to insert rests where needed.
I see that 0 is in fact assigned to Enter Rest, which is a COMPLETE DIFFERENT FUNCTION.... I'm talking about the function called Note Input: Rest.
Okay, and your screen shot (Note Input Rest.jpg) shows the letter "Q" set as your keyboard shortcut for 'Note Input: Rest':
Aside from a potential conflict with any existing shortcut, the letter 'Q' might confusingly resemble O or 0 (to anyone else).
Anyhow, there is no need for this in MuseScore 4 (or MS 3 for that matter).
Watching you video shows that, in an existing score, you wish to randomly change notes to rests. As you wrote: I want to also be able to insert rests where needed.
You can do this in MuseScore 4 (and MS 3) without the use of 'Note Input: Rest' at all. Simply open that existing score, select a note duration and right click upon any note to change that note into a rest of the selected duration - just like you do in your video, but there is no need for a special keyboard shortcut to invoke. No need to click the toolbar rest icon. Simply select a duration and right click upon a note.