Two-Measure Repeat Sign

• Nov 15, 2009 - 03:46

In the "Repeat" palette there is a one-measure repeat--slash with two dots--from Berkeley notation. It would be great to have the two-measure repeat--two slashes with two dots spanning two bars--but also to have the numbering correct, unlike Finale.


In reply to by Marc Sabatella

In a quick look, I found a 24 measure rest (guitar book for "Little Shop of Horrors", #5, "You Never Know"). It is an enlongated whole note rest with the number '24' written above it. Followed by a 16 measure rest (written the same as the 24), followed by a 4, then an 8, then a repeated 4, and another repeated 4. I'll look for an example of multi repeats later. This is not unusual in show tunes where the music has to accomodate onstage dialogue and action. The notation used saves a lot of real estate in the book, and some page turning. It is useful, even if ugly.

I've seen 2... pretty sure I've seen 4... and I think I may have even heard of 8 or something... so it'd be good to be able to choose any number.

In reply to by Roberba

Actually, in a quick google search, it doesn't seem to show an example of any more than 2-bar repeat... so maybe I just imagined I saw them...

Anyway... I just created one now using a caesura and two dot symbols. You could do that and then hide the notes/rests to make it look correct. Temporary fix anyway :)

Edit: Actually, I just found somebody talking about how to do a 4-bar one on finale, so I guess it is around. See picture. NOTE: the directions are for finale, not musescore.

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Workaround (sorry, not for everyone):

Empty two measures, set rests to invisible.
Export file as pdf.
Import in InDesign (or any other layout program capable of editing pdfs).
Type "alt+q" in MAESTRO font at the desired position.
Export as new pdf.
Needs a perfect score in MuseScore, or one has to repeat those steps endlessly...

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In reply to by william ockham

The Maestro font isn't Unicode compatible, which I noticed causes problems even on Windows (A lot has changed in personal computing (for the better) since the late 1980s, early 1990s. Unfortunately some parts of Finale haven't been updated yet). I had to insert the symbol into Microsoft Word, copy and paste the symbol into the search box in Firefox (which I suspect converted it to Unicode encoding), then copy and paste it into MuseScore.

This is one of those common-use anomalies like calling the vibrato bar on a guitar a "tremolo" bar. The multi-measure repeat was standardized by Berkeley. The slashes and span indicate the number of measures of rest, but the numeral above the symbols are supposed to enumerate the repetitions, not reiterate now many measures in the repeat. Finale--and most publishers--do this wrong.

The only work around I have found is to add System Text and move the text over the repeat measure sign. It would be nice if there were a multi-measure repeat that had editable text so you could put in the number of measures for the repeat.

Please implement this feature, it's very important and opened too long... I'm missing it almost every time when I'm transcribing music based on few times repeating 2-4 measures long riffs.

In reply to by vitac

I agree, it needs to be there. Meanwhile, if you're not familiar with "slash notation", you might consider that as a workaround - and look at the Plugins repository to find a utility that can create this automatically. As a person who reads and plays this stuff for a living, I can tell you that if you use slash notation and the word "simile", that means exactly the same thing, and is actually probably more familiar to most of us. The two-measure repeat sign, is just another way of saying the same thing.

MuseScore definately needs a tool that performs a Two Measure Repeat function correctly.
I have in the interim created a cosmetic work-around that is notationally correct and looks pretty good too, however it is non-functional as a repeat mechanism. The measures are counted correctly but during playback the measures are totally silent (interpretted as rests if you will).
I have attached a sample of my work-around.
I hope you can use it!

If you have any questions, comments or concerns please contact me at Stephencab@MSN.Com.

Best Regards,
Steve C

...this is a most necessary inclusion. I've started to use MuseScore a few weeks ago, and it's the first thing I was looking for on the forum here. Thanks to Stephencab for the workaround.

I completely agree with the request to add the two-measure repeat sign. It saves paper, and it's very useful throughout repetitive music. I have resorted for now to just adding the new measures and copy/pasting them in, which is exhausting but still worth it because the music flows the same. It'd be so much easier just to have a two-measure repeat sign we could insert. It would make it both prettier and faster!

I agree that this is needed.
As a drummer, this is the most frustrating problem I have with the software.
The workaround is clever, but completely impracticable for anything more than two or three iterations.
And just copy-pasting makes a chart very difficult to read, particularly for drummers.

Yes please!

I'm new to Musescore and was looking for how to add a 2 bar repeat symbol and came across this thread, so just another vote from me.


Thanks for the great software!

In reply to by mike320

Thank you, Mike, but--aside from the complicated explanation--the part that perplexes me says:

"8. Add a "Double Repeat-Measure" sign between measures 3 & 4 (found in the symbols palette). Adjust it to be in the exact centre of the barline."

I find no such symbol anywhere in the Master Palette. Even if I go to the "repeats" section, there is no double-repeat sign, but not even in the combined "symbols" section. I find only the "one measure repeat sign.'

In reply to by ErikJon

Your screenshot appears to show you having changed the font from the default.Bravura to Emmentaler, which is indeed more limited. Switch it back using the drop-down there and you should see a lot more symbols, and then searching for "repeat" will bring up what you are looking for.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I knew I must have done something wrong. Yes, I changed the font, because it seemed that this was the correct font used for everything else in the program, and when I changed it, I did not notice any difference in the topmost part of the palette, other than the thickness of the symbols, so I assumed that the number of characters was identical.

Yes, now I see the symbol that I was looking for.

Sorry for the trouble. Thanks, again for your kind help.

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