Add Measures With "r"

• Sep 10, 2020 - 14:42

In Sibelius, when I enter "r" to repeat => if there are not enough measures, Sibelius automatically adds measures. There is no need to add measures with additional key strokes.

Is there a similar feature in MuseScore?


Let me ask the OP. How are you working? Are you composing a complete score, from beginning to end? Or are you composing and assembling in bits and pieces? IOW, is the final product to appear as a completed score or is the final product to appear in a DAW and exported as an audio file?

In reply to by Rockhoven

Don't know what OP means, but if it is me, I've been creating arrangements for many years. It has been a mixture of piano, guitar, vocals, tuba, fiddle, Barbershop, etc. Most of the arrangements were completed scores.

I'm retired now (engineer) and am creating video clips for YouTube. Music has always been a hobby.

In reply to by bhs67

OP means opening post. So you are doing all of your arranging in Musescore and you do not play instruments, record them, and edit the audio clips in a DAW? You are beginning your composition in a Musescore score, developing it and finishing it?

In reply to by Rockhoven

I did most of the arranging with Sibelius. Very early, I was not using a computer.

I started with a pump organ when I was very young. I played most everything by ear, but learned to read notes when I played a sax in school. It has been a fun hobby!

I am not using Sibelius for the video clips, to avoid any potential infringements that could occur when I post the video clips on YouTube.

I am not creating arrangements. I'm just creating short segments that demo the notes, a keyboard, and a piano sound.

In later video clips, I plan to describe things such as the importance of vowel matching - and the math behind pure tone sounds (including overtones and undertones). It's not complicated.

Is it possible to create exactly 440 Hz, 550 Hz, 660 Hz, etc. with only a sine wave sound? A flute is similar, but a sine wave sound is needed for creating overtones and undertones that can be heard more easily.

In reply to by bhs67

I think he was talking to me.

"I am not creating arrangements. I'm just creating short segments that demo the notes, a keyboard, and a piano sound."

So you are working in bits and pieces? And how does the final assembly happen? Are you exporting and then working directly with the audio?

In reply to by Rockhoven

I use Camtasia to create the video clips. Camtasia captures images on the computer screen, and captures sounds from the computer and sounds from a mic. Then I use Camtasia to edit and clean up the video clip before I post it.

PowerPoint slides have the words (very few words) - I use Excel to create the keyboard - I use MuseScore to create the staff / notes, keyboard, and piano sounds.

I'm still in the early stages for music - nothing posted yet. has links to the YouTube video clips. The video clips about Electronics provide examples (with moving arrows, etc.). Movement helps keep the brain from falling asleep. The average attention span is 17 seconds.

You never see my face. You will not hear my credentials. You just get the facts.

In reply to by Rockhoven

Camtasia captures images. I think it captures the images about every 66 msec. If the image is moving, it will capture the movement (unless it moves very fast). The eye / brain often reconstructs the missing pieces - commonly looks smooth.

After Camtasia captures the images and the sounds - and after editing is complete - Camtasia creates an .mp4 which is uploaded to YouTube.

The website link will show the end result. If not, let me know what is not understood!

That is correct. I'm not composing for a performance.

In reply to by Rockhoven

It is a collection of examples. The collections are saved in different .mscz file names (matches the names of the PowerPoint / video clip names). Most .mscz sheets, so far, are less than one page.

I copy small segments from a .mscz sheet and paste them into a PowerPoint slide.

For example, the key signature PowerPoint slide contains copies of different key signatures from the key signature .mscz sheet - just the key signature, without any notes or time signatures.

In reply to by Rockhoven

I create a short music melody with chords. I'm near the end of the sheet (I use rests to separate thee different sections).

I want to replicate that short music segment, and modify one chord to demo different chord sequences. I select that short segment, and hit "r". It does not repeat as there are not enough measures to the end.

It would be good if MuseScore did add enough extra measures automatically, without requiring additional steps to add measures.

In reply to by bhs67

I can't fault the concept at all. For instance, I myself have experienced when writing toward the end of the score that I am so focused upon writing that I discover that i just wrote five measures that were not notated because I ran out of measures. That's problem number one. Then, I also work with many miscellaneous ideas randomly scattered on the score that are only loosely connected. I would like to be able to repeat these sections and rework them. But I have to insert measures and copy and paste the section. I would rather have this automated. But I've talked to someone here and he says it's easier said than done. They have to take the whole program apart and put it back together. They don't do that every day, but that doesn't mean that they won't do it sometime. For now, we have to insert measures and copy and paste, and when we run out of measures at the end, we use Ctrl+B to add measures.

In reply to by bhs67

This is open source, so anything can be done. It's just a problem to find people who have time and are interested in doing it. It might be done. It's nice to know that there's someone here who thinks like I do. More than once I have wanted exactly what you are asking for.

In reply to by bhs67

Well, I actually read and now understand your first post. The answer to that question is "no". The "r" function in Sibelius is far more robust and useful than that in MuseScore. Select just about anything anywhere, hit "r" and is gets repeated. Select the last measure of any part, hit "r" and one measure is added to the entire score. Select the last 5 measures of a single or group of instruments, hit "r", and those measures are repeated with blank measures in the rest of the score. And many, many more possibilities.
MuseScore is all about keyboard shortcuts. For those who know how to use them, they are great. But not everyone uses them, or want to.

In reply to by bobjp

As of 3.5, almost everything people have requested for the "R" command is now implemented. No one had previously requested this particular feature of automatically adding measures. If someone creates an official Suggestion to the issue tracker, we can consider adding this too.

In reply to by bhs67

Auto adding measures feature would also solve the weird workflow in MuseScore that consists of creating the scores with "enough" measures (perhaps 80 if you think you will need about 60/70) and having to delete unused ones at the end (or creating with just not enough measures and having to continuously manually add measures).
MuseScore could just start with 1 measure only without asking you how many measures you want, necessary measures would just be automatically created on the fly.

In reply to by frfancha

"MuseScore could just start with 1 measure only without asking you how many measures you want, necessary measures would just be automatically created on the fly..."

... just like a word processor allows you to type more characters without explicitly having to create a new page .

In reply to by frfancha

I don't mind starting with 10 or 15 measures or so.
Because I input notes with a mouse. I need measures to write into. Starting with one measure means that the first thing I have to do is add measures. Not a problem with keyboard entry. For me auto adding measures is not as important as being able to add them with "r".

In reply to by bhs67

Interesting thoughts. The auto-add of measures on keyboard entry sounds like a good idea on the surface although I think it would drive me crazy having to worry about extra measures appearing at the end of my score if I type the wrong thing. And as mentioned, it doesn't really help mouse users - you still need to enter measure manually. But this is the sort of thing I could imagine being implemented as a program preference.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Things appearing when you type the wrong key must be corrected anyway ! Extra measure autocreated or not. Easiest solution to that (depends how fast you realized you have typed wrong things) is undo.
And by the way correcting several wrong entries is a lot easier if extra measures have appeared to contain them, because the good things are left intact instead of being overridden. Current behaviour in that case requires either to use several undoes or to exactly remember what was the good thing to be able to input it again.

In reply to by mike320

Here are the things the OP is suggesting:
1. You are at the end of your score. You've run out of measures. You need to add some number of measures. It doesn't matter the number. Let's say "one". Currently you use the Append Measures set of keystrokes. Because I have enough to remember just to put pants on, I don't remember the combination. I go to the menu bar and drill down to the proper procedure, and append the measure.

Desired procedure. I'm at the end of my score. I need one (or any number) more measure. I select the last measure of any part. An empty one is best, but it doesn't really matter. Push "r". An empty measure is added to the score. If the measure I selected has notes, those notes are copied in that line, and will need to be over written or deleted. Measures will be added for each push of "r".

  1. You are at the end of your score. You want to repeat the last 8 measures of the string parts. Current procedure: Append 8 measures. Select the 8 measures you need and copy/paste into the measures you created. Although I think if you select the measures and hit "r", the measures will copy into the measures you created.

Desired procedure: Select the 8 measures. hit "r". Measures added to the end of the score.

This works even if you haven't run out of measures. Let's say you have one empty measure at the end of your score. You want to repeat the last four measures of what you have written. Select the measures, hit "r". The measures are added past the original ending. Right now MuseScore won't add anything past the last measure using "r".
No adding too many measures that you have to delete later. You add them as you need them. Although why delete measure from the score isn't in with the rest of the right-click measure operations, I don't know.

In reply to by bhs67

That makes sense in a world where one only writes left to right, start to finish. In my world I am often adding measures all sorts of place, so there is no way any program could ever read my mind about when I want to insert new ones and when I am simply adding notes. But in the special case of adding at the end, I agree it could make sense to offer that option.

In reply to by bobjp

The only use case I see being hampered here is the press-and-hold-R to fill the entire score with some pattern: be it rhythm or rest grouping or measure repeat symbols.
Currently I can write the pattern once (be it a single measure, or 8); select it and simply hold R without looking.

My score doesn't become infinite length because of it.

In reply to by jeetee

I think that's a pretty valid concern, it would be enough to make me personally not want the feature - because I actually encounter that use case pretty regularly, and I can't recall ever encountering one in which I wanted "R" to add new measures. But, that's because I know how the problem works and I have already conditioned myself to work with it. If you've already conditioned yourself to work differently, I can see that it would feel just as awkward to get used to how MuseScore does it.

Since I already suggested having a preference to control whether new measures are created automatically during note input, we could simply use that same preference (or another, if someone thought it important) to control the behavior of "R". And, for that matter, copy & paste. Although, here I think it would be acceptable to always create the new measures, since the scenario described above would not occur.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I certainly understand the concern of holding "r" and ending up with way more measures than you want. Though I've never run into this. But I get it. I try to always be aware of the end of the score.
This would also work with copy/paste of several measures. As long as you copy into the last or earlier measure. The paste would add the needed measures.
MuseScore is totally locked down as far as the end of the score goes. Yes, ctrl+B adds one measure. Easy enough. Unless you're used to a robust "r" function that repeats almost anything you select. Period. Anywhere, anytime.

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