Add Measures With "r"
In Sibelius, when I enter "r" to repeat => if there are not enough measures, Sibelius automatically adds measures. There is no need to add measures with additional key strokes.
Is there a similar feature in MuseScore?
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Pasting like 2 measures onto the last measure does append a measure
In reply to Pasting like 2 measures onto… by Jojo-Schmitz
You can append one or more measures to the end of the score with Ctrl+B. I was just thinking the other day that we should have a repeat, so that you could highlight a whole section and it would be duplicated, appended to the end of the highlight.
In reply to You can append measure to… by Rockhoven
When entering notes, it would be good to add this "r" feature to extend measures (multiple measures, if needed) => to simplify the process. Thanks!
In reply to When entering notes, it… by bhs67
What's the problem? Are you saying that as you write, and you run out of measures, Musescore could automatically append the score with any additional measures that you might require?
Yes. In Sibelius, "r" repeats most anything that is selected.
I agree, if you select two measures at the end of the score and press r, MuseScore should append the measures.
Let me ask the OP. How are you working? Are you composing a complete score, from beginning to end? Or are you composing and assembling in bits and pieces? IOW, is the final product to appear as a completed score or is the final product to appear in a DAW and exported as an audio file?
In reply to Let me ask the OP. Just how… by Rockhoven
Don't know what OP means, but if it is me, I've been creating arrangements for many years. It has been a mixture of piano, guitar, vocals, tuba, fiddle, Barbershop, etc. Most of the arrangements were completed scores.
I'm retired now (engineer) and am creating video clips for YouTube. Music has always been a hobby.
In reply to Don't know what OP means,… by bhs67
OP means opening post. So you are doing all of your arranging in Musescore and you do not play instruments, record them, and edit the audio clips in a DAW? You are beginning your composition in a Musescore score, developing it and finishing it?
In reply to OP means opening post. So… by Rockhoven
And what does this have to do with adding a measure?
In reply to OP means opening post. So… by Rockhoven
I did most of the arranging with Sibelius. Very early, I was not using a computer.
I started with a pump organ when I was very young. I played most everything by ear, but learned to read notes when I played a sax in school. It has been a fun hobby!
I am not using Sibelius for the video clips, to avoid any potential infringements that could occur when I post the video clips on YouTube.
I am not creating arrangements. I'm just creating short segments that demo the notes, a keyboard, and a piano sound.
In later video clips, I plan to describe things such as the importance of vowel matching - and the math behind pure tone sounds (including overtones and undertones). It's not complicated.
Is it possible to create exactly 440 Hz, 550 Hz, 660 Hz, etc. with only a sine wave sound? A flute is similar, but a sine wave sound is needed for creating overtones and undertones that can be heard more easily.
In reply to I did most of the arranging… by bhs67
bobjp - just saw your post. You are correct. This has nothing to do with adding a measure. Sorry for my last post.
In reply to bobjp - just saw your post. … by bhs67
I think he was talking to me.
"I am not creating arrangements. I'm just creating short segments that demo the notes, a keyboard, and a piano sound."
So you are working in bits and pieces? And how does the final assembly happen? Are you exporting and then working directly with the audio?
In reply to I think he was talking to me… by Rockhoven
I use Camtasia to create the video clips. Camtasia captures images on the computer screen, and captures sounds from the computer and sounds from a mic. Then I use Camtasia to edit and clean up the video clip before I post it.
PowerPoint slides have the words (very few words) - I use Excel to create the keyboard - I use MuseScore to create the staff / notes, keyboard, and piano sounds.
I'm still in the early stages for music - nothing posted yet. NDAcademy.FoxPing.com has links to the YouTube video clips. The video clips about Electronics provide examples (with moving arrows, etc.). Movement helps keep the brain from falling asleep. The average attention span is 17 seconds.
You never see my face. You will not hear my credentials. You just get the facts.
In reply to I use Camtasia to create the… by bhs67
I don't understand.
In reply to It sounds like you are… by Rockhoven
You are composing and exporting short clips of sound? You are not writing a composition for live performance?
In reply to It sounds like you are… by Rockhoven
Camtasia captures images. I think it captures the images about every 66 msec. If the image is moving, it will capture the movement (unless it moves very fast). The eye / brain often reconstructs the missing pieces - commonly looks smooth.
After Camtasia captures the images and the sounds - and after editing is complete - Camtasia creates an .mp4 which is uploaded to YouTube.
The website link will show the end result. If not, let me know what is not understood!
That is correct. I'm not composing for a performance.
In reply to Camtasia captures images. I… by bhs67
Are you making an image of the score?
In reply to Are you making an image of… by Rockhoven
Just short segments - such as key signature - time signature - chord images - short music sounds with melody in the treble clef and chords in bass clef, etc.
In reply to Just short segments - such… by bhs67
OK. So you compose something and then you want to repeat a section inside (in the middle or thereabouts) the score and not at the end of the score?
In reply to OK. So you compose something… by Rockhoven
And this is not a composition with form? It's just a collection of miscellaneous ideas that you want to move around on the score?
In reply to And this is not a… by Rockhoven
It is a collection of examples. The collections are saved in different .mscz file names (matches the names of the PowerPoint / video clip names). Most .mscz sheets, so far, are less than one page.
I copy small segments from a .mscz sheet and paste them into a PowerPoint slide.
For example, the key signature PowerPoint slide contains copies of different key signatures from the key signature .mscz sheet - just the key signature, without any notes or time signatures.
In reply to It is a collection of… by bhs67
Does Insert do what you said you needed?
In reply to Does Insert do what you said… by Rockhoven
I create a short music melody with chords. I'm near the end of the sheet (I use rests to separate thee different sections).
I want to replicate that short music segment, and modify one chord to demo different chord sequences. I select that short segment, and hit "r". It does not repeat as there are not enough measures to the end.
It would be good if MuseScore did add enough extra measures automatically, without requiring additional steps to add measures.
In reply to I create a short music… by bhs67
OK. Now I'm getting it. That's a very good idea. But you're only concerned about this at the end of the score and not in any other place?
In reply to OK. Now I'm getting it. That… by Rockhoven
Yes. To add in the middle, then Add => Measures is needed.
In reply to Yes. To add in the middle,… by bhs67
I can't fault the concept at all. For instance, I myself have experienced when writing toward the end of the score that I am so focused upon writing that I discover that i just wrote five measures that were not notated because I ran out of measures. That's problem number one. Then, I also work with many miscellaneous ideas randomly scattered on the score that are only loosely connected. I would like to be able to repeat these sections and rework them. But I have to insert measures and copy and paste the section. I would rather have this automated. But I've talked to someone here and he says it's easier said than done. They have to take the whole program apart and put it back together. They don't do that every day, but that doesn't mean that they won't do it sometime. For now, we have to insert measures and copy and paste, and when we run out of measures at the end, we use Ctrl+B to add measures.
In reply to I can't fault the concept at… by Rockhoven
Sibelius has added measures automatically for many years (don't recall exactly when, but I think it has existed 20 years or more).
In reply to Sibelius has added measures… by bhs67
This is open source, so anything can be done. It's just a problem to find people who have time and are interested in doing it. It might be done. It's nice to know that there's someone here who thinks like I do. More than once I have wanted exactly what you are asking for.
In reply to Sibelius has added measures… by bhs67
Well, I actually read and now understand your first post. The answer to that question is "no". The "r" function in Sibelius is far more robust and useful than that in MuseScore. Select just about anything anywhere, hit "r" and is gets repeated. Select the last measure of any part, hit "r" and one measure is added to the entire score. Select the last 5 measures of a single or group of instruments, hit "r", and those measures are repeated with blank measures in the rest of the score. And many, many more possibilities.
MuseScore is all about keyboard shortcuts. For those who know how to use them, they are great. But not everyone uses them, or want to.
In reply to Well, I actually read and… by bobjp
As of 3.5, almost everything people have requested for the "R" command is now implemented. No one had previously requested this particular feature of automatically adding measures. If someone creates an official Suggestion to the issue tracker, we can consider adding this too.
In reply to As of 3.5, almost everything… by Marc Sabatella
Not just "r". When I'm manually entering quarter notes in the last measure, assume C, E, G, D, C, G, A, E --- MuseScore ends up with C, E, G, E in that last measure --- four notes are missing.
With Sibelius, an extra measure is added so we end up with all of the notes.
In reply to Not just "r". When I'm… by bhs67
Auto adding measures feature would also solve the weird workflow in MuseScore that consists of creating the scores with "enough" measures (perhaps 80 if you think you will need about 60/70) and having to delete unused ones at the end (or creating with just not enough measures and having to continuously manually add measures).
MuseScore could just start with 1 measure only without asking you how many measures you want, necessary measures would just be automatically created on the fly.
In reply to Auto adding measures feature… by frfancha
"MuseScore could just start with 1 measure only without asking you how many measures you want, necessary measures would just be automatically created on the fly..."
... just like a word processor allows you to type more characters without explicitly having to create a new page .
In reply to "MuseScore could just start… by DanielR
Or like Dorico actually
In reply to Or like Dorico actually by frfancha
I don't mind starting with 10 or 15 measures or so.
Because I input notes with a mouse. I need measures to write into. Starting with one measure means that the first thing I have to do is add measures. Not a problem with keyboard entry. For me auto adding measures is not as important as being able to add them with "r".
In reply to Not just "r". When I'm… by bhs67
Interesting thoughts. The auto-add of measures on keyboard entry sounds like a good idea on the surface although I think it would drive me crazy having to worry about extra measures appearing at the end of my score if I type the wrong thing. And as mentioned, it doesn't really help mouse users - you still need to enter measure manually. But this is the sort of thing I could imagine being implemented as a program preference.
In reply to Interesting thoughts. The… by Marc Sabatella
Things appearing when you type the wrong key must be corrected anyway ! Extra measure autocreated or not. Easiest solution to that (depends how fast you realized you have typed wrong things) is undo.
And by the way correcting several wrong entries is a lot easier if extra measures have appeared to contain them, because the good things are left intact instead of being overridden. Current behaviour in that case requires either to use several undoes or to exactly remember what was the good thing to be able to input it again.
In reply to Interesting thoughts. The… by Marc Sabatella
I currently don't count how many measures I need to add to the end of the score, I put in an arbitrary number I think will probably not be too many. At the end of note entry I almost always use remove empty measures at end of score since it's been added.
In reply to I currently don't count how… by mike320
Here are the things the OP is suggesting:
1. You are at the end of your score. You've run out of measures. You need to add some number of measures. It doesn't matter the number. Let's say "one". Currently you use the Append Measures set of keystrokes. Because I have enough to remember just to put pants on, I don't remember the combination. I go to the menu bar and drill down to the proper procedure, and append the measure.
Desired procedure. I'm at the end of my score. I need one (or any number) more measure. I select the last measure of any part. An empty one is best, but it doesn't really matter. Push "r". An empty measure is added to the score. If the measure I selected has notes, those notes are copied in that line, and will need to be over written or deleted. Measures will be added for each push of "r".
Desired procedure: Select the 8 measures. hit "r". Measures added to the end of the score.
This works even if you haven't run out of measures. Let's say you have one empty measure at the end of your score. You want to repeat the last four measures of what you have written. Select the measures, hit "r". The measures are added past the original ending. Right now MuseScore won't add anything past the last measure using "r".
No adding too many measures that you have to delete later. You add them as you need them. Although why delete measure from the score isn't in with the rest of the right-click measure operations, I don't know.
In reply to Here are the things the OP… by bobjp
I prefer to pay zero attention to measures. They appear magically, when they are needed (with Sibelius).
In reply to I prefer to pay zero… by bhs67
That makes sense in a world where one only writes left to right, start to finish. In my world I am often adding measures all sorts of place, so there is no way any program could ever read my mind about when I want to insert new ones and when I am simply adding notes. But in the special case of adding at the end, I agree it could make sense to offer that option.
In reply to Here are the things the OP… by bobjp
The only use case I see being hampered here is the press-and-hold-R to fill the entire score with some pattern: be it rhythm or rest grouping or measure repeat symbols.
Currently I can write the pattern once (be it a single measure, or 8); select it and simply hold R without looking.
My score doesn't become infinite length because of it.
In reply to The only use case I see… by jeetee
This would then require two minor adjustments, look at the score so you know when it starts extending the score and press ctrl+z a few times to undo the last few copies.
In reply to This would then require two… by mike320
Nothing insurmountable indeed; just pointing it one of the possible "complaints" following a possible implementation change. Can't say we've not considered the impact then :)
In reply to The only use case I see… by jeetee
I think that's a pretty valid concern, it would be enough to make me personally not want the feature - because I actually encounter that use case pretty regularly, and I can't recall ever encountering one in which I wanted "R" to add new measures. But, that's because I know how the problem works and I have already conditioned myself to work with it. If you've already conditioned yourself to work differently, I can see that it would feel just as awkward to get used to how MuseScore does it.
Since I already suggested having a preference to control whether new measures are created automatically during note input, we could simply use that same preference (or another, if someone thought it important) to control the behavior of "R". And, for that matter, copy & paste. Although, here I think it would be acceptable to always create the new measures, since the scenario described above would not occur.
In reply to I think that's a pretty… by Marc Sabatella
I certainly understand the concern of holding "r" and ending up with way more measures than you want. Though I've never run into this. But I get it. I try to always be aware of the end of the score.
This would also work with copy/paste of several measures. As long as you copy into the last or earlier measure. The paste would add the needed measures.
MuseScore is totally locked down as far as the end of the score goes. Yes, ctrl+B adds one measure. Easy enough. Unless you're used to a robust "r" function that repeats almost anything you select. Period. Anywhere, anytime.