Rest disposition in compound meters.
Is there a way to group the rests in a 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 meters logically (dotted quarter note rests instead of simple quarter or half note rests)? Even changing grouping configuration they are not set in a natural way and it takes a long time to modify them.
Thank you very much to everybody!
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See: https://musescore.org/en/node/57201
and #4867: Rests in measures should be grouped according to time signature
In reply to See: https://musescore.org… by cadiz1
Ok, thank you very much. The problem isn't solved yet, though.
I mean, can anyone have this in mind to set the default addition of the rests in next versions of the program?
In reply to Ok, thank you very much. The… by zabalza.asier
The issue is still open, so there is hope ;-)
While I agree that having these rests handled automatically might be nice, I think you are probably going about things wrong if it is taking a long time to modify them. You shouldn't really be thinking about modifying them at - you should simply enter the rests you want, left to right, exactly as you enter rests at the beginning of a measure, or how you enter notes, or how you'd enter these rests if there weren't already rests placed automatically. That is, it takes precisely the same amount of time to enter dotted quarter note followed by dotted quarter rest as it does to enter the rest followed by the note, or just two notes.
In reply to While I agree that having… by Marc Sabatella
Ok, but in certain cases the introducing a whole bar takes four or five operations instead of just one:
In reply to Ok, but in certain cases the… by zabalza.asier
True, but to be clear: my point is, it's exactly the same number of operations as it would be if the rests came before the note, or if those rests were notes instead.
BTW, MuseScore can automate this for you, although it's still a few extra steps. Try entering just the eighth, then select the measure and click Layout / Regroup Rhythms. You could enter a whole passage this way, with the wrong default rests, then correct them all in one go.
Anyhow, it's kind of weird to me that we've come to expect not having to enter certain rests even though we totally expect to have to enter other rests, and obviously we totally expect to have to enter notes. It's not unlike being given a free lunch on weekdays then complaining we don't also get it on weekends :-).
In reply to True, but to be clear: my… by Marc Sabatella
I found a practical solution in the Regroup Rhythms tool. It is what I looked for. Obviously, I see things differently regarding rest introduction, but...let them rest in peace. :-)
Thank you very much for your quick and useful answers, you are the best.
In reply to True, but to be clear: my… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks for the tip on "Regroup Rhythms"! I've added a keyboard shortcut which enables this to be solved without too much workflow interruption.
But I have to disagree on the principle. In 4/4 time, if I enter a quarter note on beat one, the rest of the measure is automatically filled with rests that look good. I don't have to go through and enter the rests manually to make it look right. MuseScore does what I would expect. But in 12/8 time, if I enter a dotted quarter on beat 1, now the rest of the measure looks like poop until I clean it up. That's not a feature, that's an opportunity for MuseScore to work even better.
In reply to Thanks for the tip on … by chrismcqueenmusic
What version of MsueScore are you using? In recent versions, 12/8 should work fine. This discussion was about the state of things two years ago. But even then, no one disagreed that there was room for improvement, and that's why we did exactly that last year.
In reply to What version of MsueScore… by Marc Sabatella
I'm using the 3.6 beta, I'll try downloading the new 3.6 version. Is there a setting I'm missing? Also on a related note, Regroup Rhythm seems to be deleting hairpins for me
In reply to I'm using the 3.6 beta, I'll… by chrismcqueenmusic
It'll remove other note-attached things as well, as it removes those original notes and writes new ones instead.
In reply to It'll remove other note… by jeetee
That makes sense, in this case it's removing a hairpin that's attached to a dotted half-note that isn't being effected by the Regroup Rhythm. But it's not doing it in other locations, so I guess it's just a fluke.
In reply to I'm using the 3.6 beta, I'll… by chrismcqueenmusic
The improved rest were already in the beta, in fact they are in 3.5.2 as well. You should correctly be seeing 12/8 fill as quarter, eighth, quarter, eighth, etc - whereas older releases filled with half rests and quarters etc as if it was simple meter.
In reply to The improved rest were… by Marc Sabatella
Ahh I think I slightly misunderstood the original issue. I am indeed seeing quarter, eighth as you say. My issue is that I would expect to see dotted quarter rests and dotted half rests fill the rest of the measure [see attached example]. The reason I would expect that as normal behavior is that when you select the measure and Regroup Rhythms, this is what the result is. Therefore it seems like MuseScore considers that to be the most appropriate way to fill the measure.
In reply to Ahh I think I slightly… by chrismcqueenmusic
Really, there isn't a ton of agreement on the best way to represent rests in triple or compound meter, but just about anything is better than what we used to do. And yes, it seems the two different algorithms produce different results. I'd look at that as a feature - you choose the appropriate methdo based on the results you prefer :-)/