Connecting stems causing side-affects
I'm trying to duplicate the connected stems in the attached picture; the last two sets of notes connect the stems from the two staffs.
I selected the note in the bottom staff, hit X to reverse the stem, select the stem, then drag it up to the line between the two notes above; so far so good. However, when I let go of the stem, the size of the gap between the two staffs is suddenly increased, leaving the stem now below the bottom note (the second attached picture is just after release; before I released, the stem was up to the line between the notes, so the gap has been increased by that much). If I ignore that, drag the stem again to the line, then move on to the note to the right and repeat the steps on it, the gap is increased again.
I obviously don't want the gap between the two staffs to be increased. Why is it happening?
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Comments
[See “cross staff notation” - https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/cross-staff-notation] - sorry, ignore this! See below
In reply to See “cross staff notation” -… by Brer Fox
Doesn't cross staff notation moves the whole chord ? That's not what the OP wants.
In reply to Doesn't cross staff notation… by rothers
"Doesn't cross staff notation moves the whole chord ?"
That's why this requirement is filled by having some notes of the chord in bass stave and some in treble stave.
The key advice is given below by @MichLeon:
"Select the stem. In Properties > General disable Auto-place"
This advice refers to the stem on the bass stave which need to reach up to the treble stave.
Select the stem. In Properties > General disable Auto-place.
In reply to Select the stem. In… by MichLeon
Ignore my post above. See instead “ How to span a chord or stem over two staves” - https://musescore.org/en/node/8717
In reply to Ignore my post above. See… by Brer Fox
That is precisely what I'm doing, as I described above. The "turn off auto-place" is only for MS3, and as I also say above, I'm on MS4.
So the question remains: why is the gap between the staffs increasing for no reason?
In reply to That is precisely what I'm… by s4dz5cvdbv
It would appear the linked-to documentation is wrong—clearing auto-place is required for MS4 as well. Thanks to all! and someone should update the documentation to indicate that it is not just a MS3 requirement.
If you look at the first picture, it has rests underneath the last two chords; I'm guessing indicating that the two chords should be played by the right-hand regardless of staff, and the left-hand rests? Regardless of cause, I've searched the handbook for "rests" and can see no way to accomplish that. Is there a way to add rests there?
In reply to It would appear the linked… by s4dz5cvdbv
Is there a way to add rests there?
Cross-staff notation works on a voice basis, so the lowest note of the last two chords can be entered as voice 3 (for stems up), then Ctrl+Shift+down to cross-staff them onto the bottom staff:
![voices.png]( "voices.png")
Stems are adjusted and the 3rd voice quarter rest on beat one in the upper staff is deleted.
(The colors show voices.)
I think we can expect this feature in Musescore 4.2.0
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/15544
In reply to I think we can expect this… by ytsejam
I think you should hope for rather than expect this feature in MU 4.2. It sits in the triage section of the 4.2 Project board, which I understand to mean that it is a candidate for implementation in 4.2 but its fate has not yet been decided.
Of course if someone would volunteer to create a PR...
It is best to do the adjustments after the score is done. Other elements added after the stem extension tends to widened the staffs or undo the editing. Also, in the process after after X and stem selection, I hold down the shift key when stretching the the stem exactly to the top of the target chord stem, and still hoding the stem, I let go of the mouse button. I notice that the staffs remains equidistant. This technique however can be a hit or miss given other elements added afterwards can affect it; hence, it is best to do the sretching after the score is finished.
In reply to It is best to do the… by ocayasso
Before its extension, simply think to select the stem and untick auto-place in Properties.
In reply to Before its extension, simply… by cadiz1
Do you have a different version? The pic attached seems to automatically go to the "up-arrow". I have te current versionof MS. Any other tips on this cross-notation would help since I play 9-string guitar and it has been a pain to use cross-notations.
In reply to Do you have a different… by ocayasso
At the bottom of your pic, click on “Show more” to access various custom settings for the Stem, including its length.
In reply to At the bottom of your image,… by cadiz1
Perfect, thanks!