Horizontal flag flip
I know this is unorthodox (yet some really crazy looking things are allowed in MuseScore with the alignment properties), but is it possible to have a left-faced flag of a beamed note? If not, is it possible for it to be an added property of the flag of a stem: its horizontal-orientation? I'm imagining some possible scenarios where it would look decent - I realize its not normal, but I still think it's a valid question.
To Illustrate:
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Similar to the notehead with has 3 options in Inspector, Auto, Left and Right. and flips side using the shortcut Shift+X
In reply to Similar to the notehead with by Jojo-Schmitz
Definitely similar, but no cigar ;)
The flag's orientation is still untouched, yet to be aware of the head orientation option is applicable knowledge in certain instances.
In reply to Definitely similar, but no by worldwideweary
I know that this isn't possible currently. Just pointing out how it may or should behave.
In reply to I know that this isn't by Jojo-Schmitz
P.S. for others: your mentioned method may result in something like:
If there exists a standard musically valid reason for this notation, then indeed we should support it more directly. But assuming it's just some random experiment you want to try, then MuseScore supports it the same way as other random experiments - you can place a symbol from the Symbols palette or a graphic as a PNG or SVG file. Backwards flags are currently implemented as part of the SMuFL standard, so I'm guessing they are indeed never encountered normally, and in case that means they aren't part of the standard fonts we use, so you'd need to import that as a graphic.
In reply to If there exists a standard by Marc Sabatella
Thanks for the tip: the thought of using symbols as an alternative means didn't cross my mind. Unfortunately the only symbol I found close was within the Bravura font, and it is a miniature form of what was desired. Just for fun I am attaching an image of using the mentioned Brevura symbol followed by an edited image of a flag reversed in a possible scenario. You're right though, it's just a personal aesthetic in certain situations and definitely not for standard use.
In reply to If there exists a standard by Marc Sabatella
Did you mean backwards flags are not currently implemented as part of the SMuFL standard?
In reply to Did you mean backwards flags by Isaac Weiss
P.S. again this is unorthodox, but the option seems viable when a beamed set of notes is at the end of a measure with a tie into the following measure. Personally I think the option to reverse the flag to face toward the beamed notes prior to it could clarity in certain circumstances its being of the prior set of notes and not the first actual note of a measure, although this is just an opinion. For instance:
P.P.S. Based on the logic of Marc's sentence and my lack of seeing standard reversed flags while perusing SMuFL fonts, it's safe to say that is what was meant.
In reply to P.S. again this is by worldwideweary
Inventing a notation no one has ever seen before is pretty much never a way to increae clarity. People would just be confused as to what this bizarre-lookig symbol was meant to convey. Again, you are welcome to import graphics to create whatever experimentation notation you want, but if it was truly a viable way to increase clarity, published music would actually do this.
In reply to Inventing a notation no one by Marc Sabatella
Marc, Is there a way to import graphics in MuseScore into something that can be used over and over again like a graphic-import into palette-symbol for such usage? From my current understanding there only seems to be drag-and-drop, but I may be missing something. I think that would be a nice feature so someone who wanted to be less constrained would have a viable solution to being individualistic toward their productions, or if they had a consistent reason to apply a particular graphic throughout their work they would have an apt method in reusing their own graphics.
P.S. For some reason with the last reason I mentioned I hadn't thought of the fact that one can have the beam extend past the measured bar-line, thus eliminating the desire to have a custom flag to signify its being part of a pattern from a previous measure rather than just using the tie for prolonged duration. At least it's an option.
In reply to Marc, Is there a way to by worldwideweary
Yes, see the Handbook under "Custom palette". Add a graphic to your score, then copy it from their to a palette.
In reply to Yes, see the Handbook under by Marc Sabatella
Awesome! Thanks for the tip.
To anyone else sans outside reference: once a graphic is used in a score (drag-and-dropped) - and you first need an editable palette with a custom workspace - you just have to hold CTRL+SHIFT and then drag that image into a sub-category into your palette. It also saves any resize information, so resize the graphic first if desired and then drag it in.
In reply to Yes, see the Handbook under by Marc Sabatella
A little "wayback machine" for fun:
Is it true that MuseScore 4.2 in 2024 still can't import a graphic and store it permanently into the palettes area properly like users could back in 2016? :-P
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/17456 for reference
In reply to A little "wayback machine"… by worldwideweary
Not sure why the strange wording, but it is indeed true there is a bug in 2024 that hasn't yet been fixed. There were bugs in 2016 too of course, thousands of which are now fixed :-)
In reply to Not sure why the strange… by Marc Sabatella
While this particular one is a Mu4 regression vs. Mu3
In reply to While this particular one is… by Jojo-Schmitz
Back then I was using MS2 when it was suggested by Marc to add a custom graphic to the palettes for experimental notation purposes, which was appreciated at the time.
One's strangeness is another's familiarity
In reply to Back then I was using MS2… by worldwideweary
Probably a pretty trivial bug to fix if you'd like to take a crack...
In reply to Probably a pretty trivial… by Marc Sabatella
Unfortunately, palettes in Mu4 won't provide the result of a search string correlated with a custom palette item, or any item with a changed name property, or respect an attempted user-based re-ordering of item positionings to have control of the order of search results, and it also evinces a strong lag when activating search, nor does the tab become focused when previously not activated when issuing a search command, yet all that is integral to how I've acclimated to using a custom MS3 branch.
So, to achieve what I already have available at hand, what starts out as a trivial bug fix would become more and more involved, and then I "lose heart" about it :-/ instead of being unselfish and begin one thing at a time. Woe is me!
In reply to Unfortunately, palettes in… by worldwideweary
Can we get back to the topic of this thread, please? A mirrored quaver is not normal and nor should it be treated with any sort of urgency when there are many other things that would be better sorted first.
In reply to To be clear, though, it isn… by underquark
To achieve a desired result (such as originally mentioned) not in accord with the basic functionality of MuseScore, the means to do so is often by way of importing SMuFL or other graphics (aside: preferably vector based), as was mentioned by Marc long ago. That would seem on point regarding the topic, yet the mentioned method is no longer available to a Mu4 user by way of palette storage. Things such as custom tempo texts, etc. also come to mind (for example, this how-to entry: https://musescore.org/en/node/266325 states -
under the heading: "Using the marking":
"Also consider then adding your SVG into a custom palette if you plan on using the marking multiple times."
This statement is not in accord with Mu4's inability to perform the palette addition and is therefore obsolete.
In reply to To be clear, though, it isn… by underquark
Mirrored quavers specifically, no, hardly any sort of priority. But graphics in palettes as a way of accomplish this an a thousand other things that aren’t urgent in themselves - that’s something that should certainly work. And I’m guessing it’s a trivial oversight in some function, the proverbial one line change, to fix. Just requires someone with the necessary skills and motivation to tackle it.