Uploading SoundFont Audio
When I use a soundfont for an orchestra, or even just one piano, and I check the box "Upload Score Audio" in the Save Online tab, it loads loads it into MuseScore, but then it says that it can't upload the score to MuseScore.com because the file is too big, even if I just use one instrument with the soundfont. But then it actually uploads the score, but the instruments are way out of wack and the strings are playing percussion parts and the brass are playing the sitar and harpsichord! Am I doing something incorrectly, or am I just dumb and missing something? Please help.
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Are you looking for a vote as to why it's not working? Just kidding. It would help if we know which version you are using. 2.1 or 2.2?
In reply to Are you looking for a vote… by mike320
Currently 2.1. MuseScore isn't updating for me yet.
In reply to Currently 2.1. MuseScore isn… by ThePianoGuy22
See: https://musescore.org/en/node/270832#comment-827177
MuseScore.com has changed to use the new MuseScore 2.2 soundfont, for every score that gets uploaded after that change (which probably happened last Monday)
Please upgrade to 2.2 to have the same sound locally as online. Or use the 'save audio' feature in File > Save Online ... (Note: this feature is not working reliable yet)
HTH
In reply to See: https://musescore.org… by Shoichi
Thanks! I am unable to access MuseScore at my current state, so I'm wondering could you tell me how it sounds?
From what you're saying, you can make an mp3 file out of the MuseScore file and you have installed lame on your computer. What happens if you simply save your score as an mp3 and play it?
In reply to From what you're saying, you… by mike320
That works, but it is unable to correctly transfer the soundfont to MuseScore.
In reply to That works, but it is unable… by ThePianoGuy22
Save Online does not transfer the soundfont, just the mp3
In reply to Save Online does not… by Jojo-Schmitz
So how would you get the correct soundfont to upload?
In reply to So how would you get the… by ThePianoGuy22
You don't, you just upload the mp3, this is what happens under the cover when you tick that box "Upload score audio", see item 6. at https://musescore.org/en/node/36021#direct
In reply to You don't, you just upload… by Jojo-Schmitz
That is exactly what I'm doing, and I end up with something like this: https://musescore.com/thepianoguy22/scores/4866970
Please have patience with me if I'm missing something here.
In reply to That is exactly what I'm… by ThePianoGuy22
For some reason, in Avenbers, the website is changing instruments, which it should not do.
In reply to That works, but it is unable… by ThePianoGuy22
I just looked closer and see that you do not have a pro account on MuseScore.com so it has to do with the sound font being used by MuseScore.com is causing the problem. You are the first to mention this issue.
BTW, I just listened to Batman the first time and i does sound GREAT! I don't notice strange instruments playing in the first 30 measures or so.
In reply to I just looked closer and see… by mike320
Hmmm. Interesting. So you're saying that if you have a pro account, you can hear it correctly, but if you don't, you'll hear a bunch of random percussion noises?
In reply to Hmmm. Interesting. So you're… by ThePianoGuy22
Refer to my other post as well. If you have a pro account you can upload the audio with whichever sound font you use. If you don't have a pro account you get the MuseScore.com default, which at the moment is fubar.
In reply to Refer to my other post as… by mike320
Well, that sucks. Oh well, thank you for helping!
In reply to Refer to my other post as… by mike320
I don't think so, this not a pro feature as far as I know
Edit: and @Thomas just confirmed that
In reply to Refer to my other post as… by mike320
@mike320 uploading audio from the File > Save Online ... facility is available to all, so you don't need to have a MuseScore Pro account.
Something has happened that the instruments in the mixer (F10) has changed from the expected instruments to what you currently hear. I would suggest that you make sure your version you created on your computer has the correct instruments and replace the online score with that to see if it fixed the problem.
FYI, I tested a couple of my older scores that have been uploaded for a while with no audio uploaded, and they play back correctly. I made sure to check scores that have strings playing since this is where you seem to be having a problem.
In reply to Something has happened that… by mike320
Maybe it would help to explain what I am doing. I think I might be getting the soundfont mechanism mixed up. I am downloading the soundfont, then in the mixer I change the instruments to sound like the new soundfont. Should I stick with the original instruments and then apply the soundfont, not changing them? For example, I would change the original, say, violin, to the new "solo violin" that the soundfont offers. Should I skip this step and not change it?
In reply to Maybe it would help to… by ThePianoGuy22
The only reason why I am stressing about this so much is because I would like to have a really nice soundfont for The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Complete Transcription score. And the Avengers theme would sound really nice with a great soundfont as well.
In reply to The only reason why I am… by ThePianoGuy22
You probably missed the post from Thomas (the web master) who said I was mistaken about needing to be a pro subscriber to upload your sound with your score. It would be nice if @Thomas would address the difficulties you are having since your audio should be correct.
In reply to You probably missed the post… by mike320
Ok, I just saw it. From my understanding this is a bug currently? Am I the only one who has experienced this problem then?
In reply to Ok, I just saw it. From my… by ThePianoGuy22
Maybe, if you explain what exactly the problem is, I at least haven't got it so far
If you have a score that uses a soundfont different from the default (and you can export to Mp3, which MuseScore 2.2 for Windows can, others need to so an extra step), on doing a Save online there is an extra checkbox to also upload the audio, use that and your score should sound the same on MuseScore.com.
There is a problem though: sometimes that upload doesn't work and that indeed is a bug we've not been able to hunt down and fix yet. But give it a try and report back success or failure.
In reply to Maybe, if you explain what… by Jojo-Schmitz
That's what I normally do. I'll walk you through the process and if it sounds correct to you then there's definitely something wrong.
First, I open the File tab and click "Save Online". Then, I put a title, description and tags. Next, I click the checkbox "Upload Score Audio". Then, I save it online. It has a loading screen, and when it hits 100%, it goes back to 0%, and then it says "Sound File too large. Cannot upload score." And it supposedly does not upload the score, but actually it does, but without the soundfont and the instruments are mixed up.
In reply to That's what I normally do. I… by ThePianoGuy22
OK, that "Sound File too large. Cannot upload score." (Is that really the exact error message? We don't find that string in the sources) might be something @Thomas and @lasconic can investigate on. You could also email support@musescore.com about it.
You may experience #197716: Audio file will not upload here.
When you export an MP3 from that score, how large is it?
In reply to OK, that "Sound File too… by Jojo-Schmitz
It think I'm having the same issue as mnmwert. It is not an exact error message, but it's relatively close.
In reply to It think I'm having the same… by ThePianoGuy22
Please give us the exact error message, maybe a screenshot
In reply to Please give us the exact… by Jojo-Schmitz
I think I would be of more use if I got back to you a bit later. I am unable to access MuseScore right now. All I can tell you from my memory is that "Error: Sound file too large. Cannot upload score." is very close to it. Thank you for your help.
In reply to I think I would be of more… by ThePianoGuy22
And you're talking about thise score, right?
https://musescore.com/user/15234751/scores/4866970
And are using the Sonatina Symphony Orchestra soundfont?
In reply to And you're talking about… by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, that's the correct score and soundfont.
Also, if this does work, how come I don't come across an orchestrated score that has an different soundfont applied like Sonita Symphony Orchestra? Is this just for your playback purposes only?
In reply to Also, if this does work, how… by ThePianoGuy22
Because only few people use that feature?
In reply to Also, if this does work, how… by ThePianoGuy22
Hi,
Did you tried using the Portable MuseScore version? The 2.1 version, currently at https://musescore.org/en/download/musescore-portable.exe , works well for me.
You can hear a sample using Sonatina that I've uploaded with this Portable version at https://musescore.com/mdi1972/scores/5046136
ps: one question, @ThePianoGuy22. For this score (The Avenger) , what Soundfonts are in your Musescore (View->Synthetiser->Fluid window, and in which order they appear (if more than one is loaded)?
In reply to Hi,… by mdi1972
Same is possible with 2.2.1, no need to resort to a portable app or an older version.
In reply to Same is possible with 2.2.1 by Jojo-Schmitz
Hi Jojo,
I won't upgrade my full MuseScore installation to 2.2 or 2.1 yet. And as the save online audio works with 2.1 or later, I just tried minutes ago and this feature (with the Portable) - and, at least at this time of the day and with this version, - it works nicely, very well.
I hope there will be a 2.2 Portable, as Anatoly-os commented in another thread.
ps: to be clear: I'm not suggesting the full 2.1/2.2/2.2.1 MuseScore installations are worse than the 2.1 portable for this issue (audio upload) . It's just that I cannot/won't upgrade to that full installations for the moment.
In reply to Hi Jojo,… by mdi1972
Why not?
In reply to Why not? by Jojo-Schmitz
well, if possible I prefer to maintain my current environment (2.0.2) and newer releases....I test them via nightlies or the portable version.
In reply to Why not what? ( :-)) by mdi1972
Not really an answer to my question...
And that way you lose out on hundreds of bug fixes.
I do it differently, install and use the most recent, but keep all the older portable apps just in case
In reply to Not really an answer to my m… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo,
You're right, didn't thought of it - keep the older as a portable. Is available a 2.0.2 portable?
The main reason I'm not upgraded yet to 2.1 or the latest 2.2 is that honestly I don't like how it sounds the new "General MuseScore" soundfont (or the 2.1 FluidR3 Mono) soundfont, due to some subtle changes I perceived in the internal fluid synth workings (I guess), not in the soundfont itself. I score mainly for the Strings instrument, and I like how they sound in MuseScore 2.0.2.
You would say that is ridiculous, given that really large list of bugs fixed since 2.0.2, but Jojo I can tell you that for the amateur use and the simplicity of my scores, 2.0.2 works more than enough, for me. Ocasionally I use my private build of the "hpfmn's CC11" work (the dynamics over single notes, you know).
In reply to Why not what? ( :-)) by mdi1972
@ mdi1972 , create new dedicated folders and try out other versions, they can coexist
https://musescore.org/sites/musescore.org/files/2018-04/18040704.png
In reply to @ mdi1972 , create new… by Shoichi
Hi Shoichi,
They don't overwite each other, are you sure? (if there is an existing MuseScore 2.0.2 installation, for example)
I know that the Nightlies can be installed without problem on its own folder (I regularly download and check them). I'm refering to the 2.2 Release.
In reply to Hi,… by mdi1972
You can only have one released MuseScore 2.x version installed. Another 1.x version can be installed parallel.
But there are portable apps available for 1.1 (nothing before that though, unfortunately, not sure why, I know that a 1.0 portable app exists, I have it on my machine), 1.2. 1.3, 2.0. 2.0.1. 2.0.2. 2.0.3 and 2.1, all via the download page (https://musescore.org/en/download#Older-versions). I believe we will have a 2.2.1 version there soon too, and maybe even a 2.2 one.
And you can still continue to use the 2.0.2 soundfont with any of these, just grab it (e.g. from one of those potable apps), copy it into your soundfonts folder and use it in your synthesizer settings
In reply to You can only have one… by Jojo-Schmitz
yeeh-hah... many thanks Jojo ! . Didnt noticed this until now.
In reply to Hi,… by mdi1972
On this pc (old Vista) I created the folders: MuseScore Master and MuseScore Nightly
When I download Zip Files I choose: Extract to...
A new version I fear will overwrite the previous one. A new version I fear will overwrite the previous one but I think it can be installed on a USB stick as portable.
In reply to On this pc (old Vista) I… by Shoichi
Ok never mind, thanks, Shoichi, I solved this downloading a 2.0.2 portable.
In reply to Hi,… by mdi1972
@mike320 I think the order is Sonita Symphony Orchestra and the default one. (FluidR3.Mono or whatever)
In reply to I think the order is Sonita… by ThePianoGuy22
You are responding to a post with a lot of discussion in the middle. I'm not even sure why you are mentioning that. I remember one of your scores had weird sounds assigned.
In reply to Hi,… by mdi1972
@ mike320 and you say there is a portable verison of MuseScore? For iOS or Android?
In reply to I think the order is Sonita… by ThePianoGuy22
There is the Songbook/Player mobile app for Android and iOS, yes, but here we're talking about the Portable App for Windows, "installable" on a USB thumb drive
In reply to I think the order is Sonita… by ThePianoGuy22
I don't know about portable version of iOS or Android. If they exist they only playback. I don't use MuseScore on anything but my PC.
In reply to I think the order is Sonita… by ThePianoGuy22
Hi there,
Seems the thread was somewhat mangled with my long "sub-thread".
I think, as @mike320 said, that it would be good if you can recheck the order of the soundfonts, and if you could post a print screen of your Mixer (with the desired settings) it would be nice, just to check them. I could upload a very short score using Sonatina as said above, but as your score is much more bigger, perhaps my test isn't relevant for the fault you noticed uploading your's.
I downloaded your Avenger score, and it sounds OK in my MuseScore. Now I will reuploaded it (as a private score of course), just to see if, with your score, I suffer the same problem.
@ThePianoGuy22, give me some minutes, and I'll publish here the "secret" link, if I can upload the audio correctly -- as said, this is just for a test. I will delete it afterwards.
...
I uploaded it okay (sounds okay i think): https://musescore.com/mdi1972/scores/5046369/s/e9876c
The correct order is as you said, first Sonatina, then FluidR3.
So, perhaps, if you try again, with the Portable 2.1 MuseScore (that's the version I used) , it gaves to you the same error??
In reply to Hi there,… by mdi1972
That doesn't seem to be the secret link, or the score has been deleted already
In reply to That doesn't seem to be the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry, your right Jojo
it's: https://musescore.com/mdi1972/scores/5046369/s/e9876c
(corrected above too)
In reply to That doesn't seem to be the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo, does it play okay for you, right?
In reply to Jojo, does it play okay for… by mdi1972
Yes, as far as I can tell. I don't know though how it is supposed to sound
In reply to Yes, as far as I can tell. I… by Jojo-Schmitz
okay. I've just deleted it, thanks for confirming. Well, the Horns sounded as the Sonatina Horns, the Trombones too, etc.
In reply to That doesn't seem to be the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Well, I'm deleting my copy of this score, it's not mine, and it passed an hour..
To summarize,
1.- I was able to upload to musescore.com a copy of @ThePianoGuy22 "Avenger's Theme" score, which uses Sonatina & Fluid, without any problem, using (in my case) MuseScore 2.1 Portable for Windows.
The audio uploaded ok as well, with no strange sounds (ie: the horns were from Sonatina horns, etc.)
2.- It happens that I'm having a good network connection to musescore.com site. The score and the audio uploaded after 1 minute or so (the MP3 generation which shows MuseScore in the progress bar, lasted some 2 minutes). Maybe this is a factor.
3.- The audio size doesn't seem a factor for the upload bug (in my case, it uploaded very quickly). Maybe a slower Internet connection would trigger the upload error, this could be an explanation.
4.- I don't necessarily tie my successful attempt with the fact I'm using a different version of MuseScore (@ThePianoguy22 don't use a portable version, as he explained above).
I think the ideal environment for testing further would be 2 or three different people doing the same test with @ThePianoGuy22 score, at the same time if possible.
In reply to Well, I'm deleting my copy… by mdi1972
Alright. So you were able to upload the score audio with no problems whatsoever? That is interesting. My internet connection is usually at 3/3 bars (sometimes 2/3), and I make sure that it is 3/3 when I attempt to upload the score. However, this always fails, and it only uploads the FluidR3.Mono soundfont. I do think that further testing would be applicable, but I'm a bit tied up in writing new scores (on paper) and cannot access MuseScore at the moment. Would it be of your convenience to send me a link to your corrected version of my score? That would be very much appreciated.
In reply to Alright. So you were able to… by ThePianoGuy22
Hi again,
Yes, let me some minutes again - I've deleted the previous upload as said - and I'll send you via musescore.com messaging the link to the new link. Watch your email
In reply to Hi again,… by mdi1972
Thank you!
In reply to Thank you! by ThePianoGuy22
Just sent you the link.
Tell me one thing. When you try to upload, how much time (in minutes) you wait until an error pops?
In reply to Just sent you the link. by mdi1972
Ok, that is exactly how it's suppose to sound. How were you able to upload the audio file?
In reply to Ok, that is exactly how it's… by ThePianoGuy22
Via the "Save Online" option, of course, and checking the "Upload score audio" checkbox! see the print screen attached.
In reply to Ok, that is exactly how it's… by ThePianoGuy22
Tell me one thing. When you try to upload, how much time (in minutes) you wait until an error pops?
ps: and note: I didn't touched your score atall (no changes in it , in the mixer, nothing, so no "corrected" version). The only thing I've done is adding the Sonatina sf. in the Syntethiser.
In reply to Tell me one thing. When you… by mdi1972
Well I realize that. And I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, and it's not working for some reason. It takes about 5 minutes to try to upload and then the error pops up.
In reply to Well I realize that. And I'm… by ThePianoGuy22
5 minutes, but 5 minutes counted since MuseScore ends to generate the MP3 (so it's the "upload" phase that last 5 mins.)? it's important to confirm this detail.
ps: And the exact error message. I've read you don't have currently access to a MuseScore installation to retry, when you do, please take note of the exact message and tell us
In reply to 5 minutes, but 5 minutes… by mdi1972
Alright, sounds good. I will definitely tell you the error message when I have access to MuseScore. The upload phase takes 5 minutes (the percentage bar goes from 0 to 100%, and then another bar pops up, and it goes from 0 - 5%, then back to 0%, and then the error message occurs). Thanks for all your help.
In reply to Alright. So you were able to… by ThePianoGuy22
What on earth does internet connection is usually at 3/3 bars (sometimes 2/3) mean? Can you express this in MBit/sec?
In reply to What on earth does internet… by Jojo-Schmitz
see attached
In reply to see attached by ThePianoGuy22
nah, disregard. Once you got access to your MuseScore, and be able to try again, take note of the times and told us.
But, if it last 3 minutes to upload, it may well be the problem stated in the begining of the thread - which seems related to the speed of the transfer.
Can I delete my copy of your score?
In reply to can you tell, do you recall… by mdi1972
the five minutes were definitely in the upload phase.
In reply to can you tell, do you recall… by mdi1972
the first progress bar takes about 2 minutes, and then the second one takes about 3.
In reply to see attached by ThePianoGuy22
Oops! Didn't see that last bit you wrote there. ;) I usually have between 6 - 10 Mbpm internet speed.
In reply to see attached by ThePianoGuy22
That image doesn't mean anything to me. What speed is it?
In reply to Doesn't mean anything to me. by Jojo-Schmitz
See comment above
In reply to See comment above by ThePianoGuy22
@ThePianoGuy22, I think it would be better you write to support@musescore.com, to @Thomas, and arrange if possible a coordinated test.
Can I delete my copy of Avenger? (btw, very nice score!)
In reply to @ThePianoGuy22, I think it… by mdi1972
I will kindly take your advice, and you can do whatever you want with the score. Thank you for your compliment and for your help! ;)
In reply to I will kindly take your… by ThePianoGuy22
my pleasure ;). Well, I think that the speed of the connection, definitely, has a impact on the error.
I would be very surprised that error were related to the size of the audio (unless between the date/time you first posted the problem, and today, the admins or developers at musescore.com tweaked something) Because I'm sure I've generated the exact size as you, and mine's went ok.
At any rate, once in contact with Thomas, if you have the chance to test the upload using other computers(networks connections, I recommend you recheck. The MuseScore Portable can be put in a USB stick, so it would ease these tests, I don't know.
In reply to my pleasure ;). Well, I… by mdi1972
Ok. Sounds good.
So I got back on MuseScore, and I uploaded a new score with the Sonita Symphony Orchestra SoundFont. This time, no error screen occurred, and I thought it was all good. But at first I could not even play back the score on MuseScore.com, and then it resorted to it's original buggy behavior again.
I have the same problem. I'm trying to upload this to be funny but the SM64 soundfont doesn't upload. Help?