"Vocals" 'instrument' has wrong ranges set in instruments.xml and the templates using it

• May 1, 2020 - 17:25
Reported version
3.4
Type
Graphical (UI)
Frequency
Once
Severity
S4 - Minor
Reproducibility
Always
Status
closed
Regression
No
Workaround
No
Project

I created a piano + vocal score, with the vocal stave using the 'Treble clef 8va bassa' clef.

A top 'A' - the first ledger line above the clef - shows as out of range. But it's actually the A above middle C, because of the 8va bassa, and so is not out of range.


Comments

Status active needs info

Score needed. Out of range for what?
If you want a Tenor, change that vocal staff to Tenor rather than just using Voice, has the added benefit that there the 'Treble clef 8va bassa' clef. is the default, and the range is set to that of a Tenor

Indeed, we'd need the score to understand. The ottavas clef definitely are respected with respect to the out of range marking. but - that clef is normally used for tenor voice only, and the upper amateur range for tenor is A4 - the A above middle C (arguably, that's too optimistic). So while A natural one ledger line about the staff should not show as out of range, A# should.

Hold on, that template uses 'Treble clef optional 8va bassa', i.e. with a little "(8)" below it, which really is a normal Treble clef as far as pitches are concerned. And yes, G#4 and higher is outside the amateur range and B6 out of professional range for that 'instrument' (and yes, those range settings don't seem to make make much sense, esp. the professional range)

So the real issue, if anything, is that the Voice instrument, (and that template) have dubious range settings, esp. for professinal (C2-B6)
Amateur is set to E2 to G5, seems reasonable, Soprano ends at G5 too, Bass at F2.

I would think the bottom limits should be set to those of Bass (F2/D2), the top limits to those of Soprano (G5/C6)

Title out of range markers don't take 8va clefs into account "Vocals" 'instrument' has wrong ranges set in instruments.xml and "Voice + Piano" template
Status needs info active
Title "Vocals" 'instrument' has wrong ranges set in instruments.xml and "Voice + Piano" template out of range markers don't take 8va clefs into account
Status active needs info

FWIW I wasn’t talking about the template, which to me seems reasonable - it’s trying to be generic and work for male or female voice, so G5 as notated makes some sense - it would of course be interpreted as G4 by a tenor. But I was talking about adding the Tenor instrument, which uses the “normal” octave clef and has a top amateur range of A4. Here the clef is fine but to me A4 is stretching it for many tenors. I mean, even the high note in Nessun Dorma is only B4 :-)

Title out of range markers don't take 8va clefs into account Check voice ranges in template & instruments

Sorry, didn’t mean to step on your change. But, I’m not sure I agree that the ranges are wrong except for this one. I’ll let you decide though.

Title "Vocals" 'instrument' has wrong ranges set in instruments.xml and "Voice + Piano" template Check voice ranges in template & instruments
Title Check voice ranges in template & instruments "Vocals" 'instrument' has wrong ranges set in instruments.xml and "Voice + Piano" template

Which ranges do you agree with and which you don't?

You mean Tenor is going to high?

Title "Vocals" 'instrument' has wrong ranges set in instruments.xml and "Voice + Piano" template "Vocals" 'instrument' has wrong ranges set in instruments.xml and the templates using it
Fix version
3.5.0