How to Efficiently Notate "Hanging" Slurs/Ties

• Jan 5, 2019 - 00:09

So "hanging" slurs/ties are common in percussion notation where the composer intends to let the instrument resonate or ring after being played. This is often notated with a slur or tie "hanging" off of the note (see attached image) or with the text "l.r." ("let ring") or "l.v." ("let vibrate").

I prefer "hanging" slurs/ties over text because it's more common and takes up less space, however, MuseScore 2.3.2 (I haven't checked this with ver/ 3.0) does not offer a uniform "hanging" slur in the master palette.

A way to go around this is to add a slur on a note to the following rest, and offsetting the slur to resemble a "hanging" slur. However, this is inefficient as the slur must be carefully offset to be parallel to the staff and the horizontal stretch of it is inconsistent as it is determined by the individual note, rest, and measure.

Does anyone have a better solution to notate "hanging" slurs/ties both efficiently and uniformly? Or does this feature exist but I haven't found it yet?
Thank you for your help!

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Comments

This is not a fix I use for I do not have the patience of Ghandi, but others have:

Under 'Arpeggios and glissandi" the curled line called a "doit". If enough care is taken it can be shaped into a hanging tie.
I've decided to use l.v. rather than learn a new craft.

I also noticed a hanging slur fouls up at the end of a system.

Hope this helps.

I usually tie it to an individual note of the same pitch/percussion type in another voice. Make the second note invisible and not play. Hint: you need to select the first note and ctrl+click the second note to tie two notes in different voices. It's best if no notes follow this while you are adding the tie, but if there are you might need to delete the extra tie(s) that may be created.

I found this topic when searching for a way to add 'let ring' tags to notes. The problem with using the "doit' is that it has to be dragged from above the note to next to the note for every single note. In the end, I found that the most efficient way to add the "articLaissezVibrerAbove" (as it's identified in a MusicXML file) was to save my score as an uncompressed MuseScore file, open it in a text editor, copy one of the doits (which had already been dragged into position), and then pasted it into the file to apply it to the other notes I wanted to tag.

This is definitely not an optimal solution.

BTW, it looks like this inside the MuseScore file:

<Articulation>
<subtype>articLaissezVibrerAbove</subtype>
<minDistance>-999</minDistance>
<offset x="1.51747" y="0.872547"/>
</Articulation>

it's that "offset" line that keeps the arc off to the right of the note rather than sitting on top.

This does seem to be a notation difficiency with MuseScore. I'm engraving a piece for harp, and wish for hanging tied to extend from all the notes of the final chord -- it's a chord, so there must be multiple curves, and it's the last measure, so there is no rest etc. to tie them to. I'll let you know if I find a fix.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thanks. I did read the how-to, and actually it's the "invisible grace-note" method which gave me the idea: since it's the last chord of the last bar, there isn't anything to put a grace note before--so I created it. Anyway, worked really well, and won't affect playback, since the whole idea is to extend the sound. (In other instances in the same score, I used the "slur to a rest, & adjust curve" method.)

In reply to by snarke

True, the example given in that particular article is about tying into a second ending. Other discuvssions of the topic mention the other types of applications and mention grace notes after. Sorry for the cionfusion. Anyhow, that's definitely the most recommended method, even though as I mentioned I rather prefer using the symbols. not sure what you found difficult about let right, feel free to explain in more detail.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Well, I think the simplest solution in the "how to" guide had five steps? I had hundreds of notes to denote in a recent chart, and that was going to be insanely tedious. I tried to create a new symbol by positioning the "doit" where I wanted it, then saving it to a palette, but it wouldn't retain the offset settings. That's why I ended up pasting MusicXML code into the .mcsx file itself using a text editor.

In other circumstances, I might have used "L.V." notation to indicate that all notes on that staff should be "let vibrate," but in this case, chimes and bells were on the same staff, and I wanted the chimes to ring but the bells to be damped.

In reply to by snarke

What I like about the symbol method is I can then add them to a custom palette and add them very quickly after that. Except, I end up doing factory resets or otherwise resetting my workspaces pretty often as a routine part of the testing I am always doing during development, so I keep losing useful things like that. Next time, though, I will make a point to save the palette.

Anyhow, whatever works for you is fine for now. And I don't think anyone questions that this would be a good new feature to add, it just hasn't risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

In reply to by snarke

I know this is super-picky, but the one thing I don't like about the "doit" is that the curve is of equal thickness, rather than the tapered ends of a tie or slur. On the other hand, with the "slur-to-rest" method, any adjustments to the slur have to be done after all the other measure spacing/stretching work is done, otherwise it entirely fouls up.

In reply to by wfazekas1

Well, what I'm currently using is the "Laissez vibrar (l.v.) above)" symbol, which I can find in the "Articulations" set in the Master Palette. It is shaped as you describe. However, MuseScore sets it squarely on top of a note, not off to one side. One can drag it into the proper position (every time you use it), but I haven't figured out how to embed the offset in the palette so it places itself properly.

In reply to by snarke

Firsty, dragging is seldom as efficient and definitely not as precise as using the cursor keys or Inspector, so I definitely recommend those. Second, a problem with using the l.v. is that MuseScore thinks it knwos how to position it but doesn't, at least not for this purpose. So that's why i recommend using the Symbol rather than the Articulation - then MuseScore will place it predictable right on top of the notehead. After doing that once, then adjusting the position (eg, Alt+Shift+E to enter edit mode, then Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Right). But, those adjustments won't save to a palette indeed. Plus, symbols aren't resizable, and I find that small. That's why I actually enter the symbol as text (fingering, specifically) and use a custom text style. At least, that was the solution I was happiest with. Took a minute to set up, but then it's one click to add. Downside of using a custom text style is I need to repeat that for other scores, but that's the easiest part.

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