Musescore 4 Multiple Tabs
When attempting to open multiple scores in MS4, instead of adding another tab to the preexisting window, a new window opens with each additional score opened. When editing or working on multiple scores at once, this becomes messy. Is this intentional, or is this a bug? If it is intentional, how do I revert to a system like MS3 where I can have multiple tabs with different scores open in a single window and easily switch between them?
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In reply to Thanks for replying, but… by user2442
I’m not a macOS systems programming expert so I can’t really speak to details about exactly what was tried and what got in the way. If you have a systems programming background and would like to be a part of that conversation, see Contribute / Development in the menu above and join the Discord #development channel.
Adding my own input on here for developers. If the playback engine now requires single tabs at a time, it's not worth it for other features that require it to be that way. In my opinion, any sacrifice that needs to be made to bring back multiple tabs is worth it for me.
In reply to Adding my own input on here… by thepulsiphyer
Can you explain more what it is about multiple tabs that is so compelling for you? Implemented well as it is on Windows and macOS, multiple windows should actually be considerably simpler to deal with, since the OS provides such nice facilities for managing them, switching between them, etc. And we're happy to help you learn these techniques if you're new to working with multiple windows despite how prevalent they are in other applications. It's really only on macOS where the specific way that MuseScore accomplishes multiple windows doesn't work well. But clearly, most applications on most platforms use multiple windows successfully - it shouldn't be seen as a deal breaker in itself.
In reply to Can you explain more what it… by Marc Sabatella
I don't like opening multiple windows because it's getting too cold around this time of year. Also, my phone looks happier with tabs somehow.
edit: typo
In reply to Can you explain more what it… by Marc Sabatella
You have been so patient answering hundreds and hundreds of similar questions. It has to be frustrating.
But multiple open tabs on the iMac coupled with all the extra "weight" of Musescore 4.x makes the program no longer friendly for simple composition.
I downloaded 4.x when it first came out, opened up two tabs, saw how bloated the program had become and immediately deleted it.
I will only use 3.6 or (or possibly the 3.7 version that JoJo updated)
I can just use AVID Sibelius if I want to use a large massive sprawling program (and that is the industry standard right now anyway)
I hope eventually maybe you can continue to support a Musescore "Lite" version which is essentially 3.6 without MuseHub and all the improvements.
Have a nice new Year.
In reply to You have been so patient… by Unknown Prodigy
Then you know that Sibelius doesn't support tabs, either. It takes more fire power to run MS4. Not sure that means it is bloated. I've had several scores open at once without issue. Though I don't think simple composition needs them. MS3 doesn't cut it for me, so it isn't even on this computer.
In reply to You have been so patient… by Unknown Prodigy
Not sure what you mean about extra “weight” - if you don’t install MuseSounds, resource usage of MU4 shouldn’t be appreciably more than MU3. I wonder what it was that you saw during those first few minutes that misled you in that respect?
In reply to Not sure what you mean about… by Marc Sabatella
Opening a new audible 4.2 MSBasic instance on my low spec laptop needs 1 minute, much of the time is loading audio samples. Resource usage during playback does not differ much from ms3 tho.
In reply to Opening a new audible 4.2… by msfp
Is that using Muse Sounds? Not really fair comparison if so of course. But definitely, even a low spec device shouldn't take a minute to open a new score normally. If you are seeing that consistently, best to start a new thread and give more details. Could be something else getting in the way.
I've gotten so used to the multiple Windows now this bothers me less. As for technical solutions has it been considered the playback engine be a separate process and use some interprocess communication approach, it would have loaded at any time samples required for all open scores.
In MuseScore 4, opening multiple scores results in separate windows for each score, rather than creating tabs within a single window as in MuseScore 3. This change was intentional, but it has sparked discussions among users. In MuseScore 3, you could have multiple tabs with different scores open in a single window, making it easier to switch between them. Get special savings on Autodesk AEC Collection 2023 https://procadis.com/version/autodesk-architecture-engineering-construc… for professionals. Unfortunately, there is no built-in option to revert to the MS3 behavior in MS4. If you prefer the old system, you might need to continue using MuseScore 3 or explore workarounds like exporting to MusicXML in MS4 and importing in MS3
In reply to In MuseScore 4, opening… by benisfroms
or opening MS4 files directly in MS3.7
In reply to In MuseScore 4, opening… by benisfroms
@benisfroms wrote > Unfortunately, there is no built-in option to revert to the MS3 behavior in MS4. If you prefer the old system, you might need to ... explore workarounds like exporting to MusicXML in MS4 and importing in MS3
Or as yonah_ag said, directly import your MS4 score into MS3.7, which yields much better results than transferring via MusicXML.
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In reply to In MuseScore 4, opening… by benisfroms
If you have all the open windows stacked on the desktop, using Alt-Tab to cycle through them is almost as fast as using tabs in one window.
In reply to If you have all the open… by garytemp
But it is very different. On Mac, there is no indication to which score you are Alt-Tabbing. That gets very annoying very quickly.
Also, every extra score consumes once more the same amount of memory because a whole new application is started. Unless you have memory to spare that becomes a problem very quickly.
In reply to But it is very different. On… by johnweigand
Yes this is my biggest issue. I don’t care so much about tabs but it’s hard to know what score you’re switching too esp on Mac. Word has a window tab that shows all the open documents and can select one to switch to which works fine for me
In reply to Yes this is my biggest issue… by malcolmmccaff
The reliance on multiple instances in MuseScore 4 has likely been the main longstanding complaint about MuseScore 4 and the greatest cause for people staying with MuseScore 3. Here's a summary of some key points in this thread.
If you're seriously interested in development challenges and progress [Follow the link Jetted posted]https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/12647) in this post
As we look deeper the inconveniences mount:
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1160591
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1193165
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1155347
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1157332
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1220743
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1193145
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1167629
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1213166
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1193195
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1161317
Mac Sabatella wrote > "It's the exact same issue in MuseScore 3 which is one reason why many find the separate windows to be superior, and why so many users have request it over the years. It's a minor difference in the grand scheme of things"
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1193227
https://musescore.org/en/node/338084#comment-1220978
Clearly, many people prefer Tabs over multiple app instances.
Alternately, I'd like to see a separate document window for each score, like virtually every other app on MacOS. That would improve the workflow when working on two scores, when using copy/paste between the two scores, and when using one score for guiding editing the note input of the other. Granted MuseScore has a side-by-side option in MS3, but I found it awkward.
how do I see my deleted scores
In reply to how do I see my deleted… by Chopinist -Youtube
Recycle Bin? (But I don't think MS4 Multiple Tabs has anything to do with deleted scores.)