Invisible objects selected and moved when not shown
Invisible objects can be selected and moved when the option to hide them is on. Is there a way to prevent it?
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I don't think so, but why select them (if the circle indicates it to you)?
In reply to I don't think so, but why… by Shoichi
The circle is created by the screen recorder utility while the mouse button is pressed! (Cockos LiceCap) You don't get a hint of the fact that you selected something invisible... until you move it around, then you see the dotted red line ending in nothing...
In reply to The circle is created by the… by faben70
Make them invisible at the end (as a workaround).
In reply to Make them invisible at the… by Shoichi
They are invisible ("visible" flag unchecked from the object inspector)
In reply to The circle is created by the… by faben70
You can tell if something invisible is selected because it changes color to a light version of it's assigned voice. Notice that your selected bow symbol is a light shade of blue and all of the others are gray. This of course does not apply if invisible items are not shown.
In reply to You can tell if something… by mike320
I agree with everything. But unfortunately, invisible items are selectable and movable even when they are not shown. I was asking if there's an option to disable this behaviour and make unshown invisible items not selectable.
In reply to I agree with everything. But… by faben70
I already agreed with that. There's no option to change it. In my opinion there should be, it should just be impossible to select anything you can't see.
This is funny, last week someone complained they couldn't select an invisible line so they could adjust it, see #308857: invisible line not selectable. From what I've seen setting invisible items to not be shown doesn't change this.
In reply to This is funny, last week… by mike320
Selectability of objects set as invisible should be conditioned by the "Show invisible" menu... shouldn't it?
In reply to Selectability of objects set… by faben70
Also, as I can see, invisible lines that should not appear when invisible do appear immediately after moving some other invisible item:
In reply to Selectability of objects set… by faben70
I won't argue about that. I don't think you should be able to select anything you can't see.
I think that what can't be seen should not be modifiable. The problem anyway is when I try to select something that is not invisible and not hidden, and pick up an invisible item that covers it instead. It could be even impossible to select something just because a hidden element covers it.
In reply to I think that what can't be… by faben70
In the case of the invisible lines there are legitimate reasons for insisting on being able to select them. In the case of a dim. line, the user may want to adjust the end point so it does or doesn't affect a given note or vertical offset (because it still affects the location of the next dynamic). There are other situations but these examples explain why I want to be able to select invisible lines.
In reply to In the case of the invisible… by mike320
I agree with you. But invisible lines should only be selectable (and adjustable) when the "show visible" menu item is checked - and the same should be valid for all invisible items of all kinds
In reply to I agree with you. But… by faben70
So a Feature request->https://musescore.org/en/project/issues/musescore
In reply to I agree with you. But… by faben70
That is the way it should work. Why is this a feature rather than a bug?
In reply to That is the way it should… by danielgibby
I think it was intentionally designed this way. A bad design decision isn't considered a bug.
In reply to I think it was intentionally… by mike320
LOL :D
In reply to That is the way it should… by danielgibby
@danielgibby, for what I've read in related posts/issues here and elsewhere and for the idea that I've made myself not speaking English.
FWIW, I kind of doubt this was deliberate, more likely an oversight. I'm not even sure it's always been this way - I can't seem to select fully invisible elements in MuseScore 2, for example.
In reply to FWIW, I kind of doubt this… by Marc Sabatella
Which is why I say this is a bug, not a feature request. Even if something was intentionally changed, if it causes another issue that wasn't there, that's a bug that is a side effect of the change, it doesn't mean now we need a feature request to put it back the way it was.
In reply to Which is why I say this is a… by dangby
I agree this seems to be a bug. Unless the change really was deliberate in response to some user requests, but I have a hard time imagining that might have been so.