Swing not consistant
Hey,
so I wrote a score for a boogie woogie song with a common blues pattern in C, but unfortunately, only the C lick and not the F and G lick in the bass line are played back in Swing. I double checked, I even exported this to a midi file and after some investigation, I can clearly confirm that the pattern is only swung in C. It works perfectly fine for C, but somehow doesn't apply to the measures in F and G (yes, I activated Swing globally, and when I figured it didn't work, I turned it off globally and seperately tried with the text "Swing", both tries were at 60% intensity)
I attached a screenshot of the program 'Piano From Above' in order to display the exported MIDI file, as you can see, the lick played in F should be played the same as in C (please consider the length of the green marked tiles which displays the duration of the note played, and they should be the same when they are not). Score is written in 204bpm, maybe there is a bug but I sense that I must be missing out on something.
I also attached the score. Reducing the bpm just makes the not swung parts stand out more.
Additionally, I attached the exported .ogg File from that very score. Can you hear how in F and G the notes are played without a swing rhythm when they should be?
Please help!
Leonard
| Attachment | Size |
|---|---|
| musescoreswingproblem.JPG | 77.71 KB |
| Boogie Woogie - Problem.mscz | 10.39 KB |
| Boogie Woogie - Problem.ogg | 433.46 KB |
Comments
I can't hear anything from a screenshot..
In other words: you'd need to share the score.
In reply to I can't hear anything from a… by Jojo-Schmitz
Here you go, see for yourself.
Kind regards
In reply to Here you go, see for… by afx_piano
I hear constant swing with no variation. I even slowed it down to exaggerate the swing.
In reply to I hear constant swing with… by mike320
That's weird. Why is it not consistant for me? I'm sure this is not due to some lack of perception since I actually exported and looked at the difference (see the screenshot I shared).
In reply to That's weird. Why is it not… by afx_piano
I don't know what the picture is supposed to be showing. I'm sure it from a DAW or something similar. I could be a smart @$$ and tell you I agree that the F's don't swing because there are none after m8 but I'm sure that's a typo on your part. I listened to the entire thing at 104 BPM and the swing was unmistakable throughout. At 204 BPM, it was so fast that I had trouble hearing any swing on any note. Face it 60% swing isn't very much. When I set the swing to 67 (which is common) the swing becomes apparent to me even at 204 BPM and it stays steady throughout.
In reply to I don't know what the… by mike320
If you would take a look at the .ogg I just uploaded, does it sound the same to you?
In reply to If you would take a look at… by afx_piano
The ogg file made it easier for me to see where you were hearing the difference. It's in mm3-4. You message is at m8 so I wasn't concentrating on mm3-4. I deleted the measures then reentered them exactly has you had them and they worked fine.
I looked through the music file (.mscx) to see if there was anything affecting the playback in there. I found the problem and I suspect you edited it with the Piano Roll Editor (PRE) because I see this in the file
Those
<Event>entries are made by the PRE.When I deleted the notes then reentered them from scratch it played correctly.
In reply to The ogg file made it easier… by mike320
That's odd, I actually have been using the PRE to simply transpose the pattern.
Thank you for your investigation! I'll try rearranging F and G tomorrow, but that already seems to be the error.
Kind regards,
Leonard
In reply to That's odd, I actually have… by afx_piano
FYI, I'm not aware of any way you can copy and paste to get rid of the PRE events so you need to avoid using it on scores with swing. If you explain what you were trying to do there may be a better way.
In reply to The ogg file made it easier… by mike320
Yes; I also found the same result:
![swing-z01.png]( "swing-z01.png")
In reply to Yes; I also found the same… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Thank you, too! Weird how it affects the rhythm.
In reply to Thank you, too! Weird how it… by afx_piano
Obviously: If there is a change made within the PRE, priority is given to the PRE. (which makes sense).
Even though it looks like nothing has been done in the "events" tags (empty), because there are those "Events" tags there, the software gets the message "attention: there is an operation with PRE here" and the Swing operation is canceling for these measures.
Possible solution: If the "Events" tags are empty, this unnecessary information should not be there.
In reply to Obviously: If there is a… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Definitely! An alternative would be to not ever write an empty event. This might be worthy of an issue report.
In reply to Obviously: If there is a… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Please put this in the issue tracker, so someone can at least investigate whether those empty events are intentional or not.
In reply to Please put this in the issue… by jeetee
That might be a stupid question, but how do I move this to the issue tracker?
Thank you guys for all of your responses, rearranging the notes without the PRE defenitely did the trick, now it works just fine.
In reply to That might be a stupid… by afx_piano
Go to https://musescore.org/en/project/issues/musescore and click on the "Add new issue" button.
Set the priority to "medium" and the severity to "major"
In the text area list clear steps to reproduce the issue. Perhaps provide a starting point score as attachment.
Something like:
Someone will then cross link the issue with this forum thread so the developers will have all background information available.
In reply to Go to https://musescore.org… by jeetee
@jeetee, us mere mortals can't change the priority only certain contributors can.
In reply to @jeetee, us mere mortals can… by mike320
Done ;-)
In reply to That might be a stupid… by afx_piano
Thanks for #310041: Swing - Piano Roll Editor - Incompatibility