colored notes ?
I just joined UR "music service" (dont know what else to call it) and downloaded a tune with a
piano clef. It's a fiddle tune.
I want guitar TAB. After much fiddling cuz of the diff clefs and shifting to desired key, I have
gotten pretty much what I need.
My Q: why are some notes on guitar staff in color, but most are not? And the ones in color
are surround (pitchwise) by black notes. I tried "voices" but it is not that.
I dont think ya need an uploaded file, but it is here anyway.
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See:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/note-input#coloring-of-notes-out-of…
Did you mess around with the guitar's transposition in Staff/Part Properties?
To fix:
In Staff/Part Properties, click on 'Change Instrument' and select 'Acoustic Guitar" (yes, the same instrument).
Then select the notes (they are all very high) and drop an octave (or even 2 octaves) using Ctrl+down arrow.
See:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/staff-part-properties
In reply to See: https://musescore.org… by Jm6stringer
Thx for response. Im so frustrated with this, have spent 1-2 hours trying to transform the original I obtained from Musescore's tune bank into what I need to play on guitar. Can you please help?
My thinking is that any set or transforms can be applied in any sequence to get to end. I think I need
transform cuz of the different staff clefs, different instruments, and a change in key. I cant get it right.
I attach the original and an image of 1st 1-2 measures I want as output.
Roughly what I did is:
1) add to score acoustic guitar staff and LINKED Tab staff.
2) copied piano staff onto guitar staff
3) shifted guitar staff down 1 octave via "staff/properties" [I think of "down" but click button is "up"]
4) transpose guitar staff to G.
The TAB comes out off by 1/3 or 1/5...no idea why. Of course there are a few note differences, so what.
https://musescore.org/sites/musescore.org/files/2021-11/JuneApple_m1.jpg
In reply to JM.. Thx for response. Im so… by dpenny
I believe your step 3 is wrong. Instead you should move all notes an octave down, (see also the little 8 under the guitar's G clef), select all, Ctrl+down.
![June_Apple.png]()
Check the attached
Or try this.
In reply to Or try this. by Jojo-Schmitz
Hmmm, I guess I only 1/2 understand.
My experiment
1) used default "my 1st score" template, it is piano staff
2) I added default "acoustic guit staff"
I note #2 has a small "8" by clef.
3) I added notes hi "C" and low "C" to one measure piano staff
4) I copied #3 measure from staff #1 to staff #2.
The notes appeared way above guitar staff #2. I think I understand why, but, not how to
correct. I tried several "staff part properties" transposes, none give me what I want.
GOAL: To have the notes in piano staff remain in exactly the same positions when I copy them onto a guitar staff. Or maybe, remain is same place if I change the instrument type to guitar.
In reply to Hmmm, I guess I only 1/2… by dpenny
Please attach that "experiment" score with the notes way above the guitar staff.
In reply to Please attach that … by Jm6stringer
Sorry, I thought it too trivial to attach.
Is attached.
In reply to Sorry, I thought it too… by dpenny
You wrote:
Sorry, I thought it too trivial to attach.
Attaching scores is hardly ever trivial.
and earlier you wrote:
I tried several "staff part properties" transposes, none give me what I want.
That's why the score helps. I just want to make sure that you are not fighting with some bizarre changes to the Staff/Part Properties transposition which would cause notes "way above" the staff.
This appears not to be the case as your attachment shows everything in Staff/Part Properties as normal (except for that weird piano bracket).
You wrote:
GOAL: To have the notes in piano staff remain in exactly the same positions when I copy them onto a guitar staff.
OK... Guitar is a transposing instrument, but unlike sax or clarinet, it transposes at the octave.
![Middle_C.png]( "Middle_C.png")
This image is taken from your attachment. (I deleted that bracket which made the Guitar treble staff look like it belonged with the piano).
"Middle C" on the piano (one ledger line below the treble clef staff) sounds the same as the note (with the 1) on the middle space of the guitar treble clef staff (the 8va bassa with the little 8). If you click on the note labelled 1 followed by the note labelled 2 you will have played an octave - sounding just like the opening notes of (Somewhere) Over the Rainbow.
Though the 1 & 2 notes look the same, they actually sound an octave apart. This might not be obvious when playing (or singing) along with others, as octaves do sound "equivalent" -- as when both men and women sing something like "Happy Birthday".
The good news is that when you copy/paste from piano onto a guitar staff and 'Middle C' of the piano staff appears on the middle space of the guitar staff, simply select all the notes on the guitar staff and hit Ctrl+down to place the guitar notes "in exactly the same positions". No need to mess with Staff/Part Properties or Tools > Transpose.
For further contemplation:
Guitar_8vb.mscz
In reply to You wrote: Sorry, I thought… by Jm6stringer
Thanks very much for you explanation and example score.
I sort of figured what was going on, but I had never heard of different clefs.
And didn't know to do in musescore since CTRL dwnArr affects selected notes while
"staff/part/prop" affects whole staff/system?.
Hope UR Holidays are great.
In reply to Thanks very much for you… by dpenny
You wrote:
CTRL dwnArr affects selected notes while "staff/part/prop" affects whole staff/system?.
While it is true that "staff/part/prop" affects the whole staff, CTRL dwnArr can also affect the whole staff if the whole staff is selected (click first note, then Ctrl+Shift+End).
Normally though, however many measures of "piano clef" music you paste into your "guitar clef" staff, well that's the number of measures you select to apply the Ctrl+down arrow.
I do solo guitar arrangements of pop tunes and standards and often use Ctrl+down and Ctrl+up to place melody notes into optimum fretboard playing positions to facilitate a smooth, simultaneous accompaniment. The judicious use of "octave equivalence" allows surreptitiously shifting a melody phrase either up or down to keep everything in the sweet spot of the guitar's range.
Holiday cheer also to you.
In reply to You wrote: CTRL dwnArr… by Jm6stringer
JM...
Your last paragraph leads me to ask, do you do guitar arrangements/transcriptions for others? either pro bono or for fee? I ask, cuz, there is a specific banjo solo of Wayfaring Stranger that sounds very guitar-ish, and I would like to have it in staff/TAB (maybe 16 bars). If interested, plse contact me outside of this forum at d_pennyATusaDOTnet.
In reply to JM... Your last paragraph… by dpenny
I recently saw this post of yours:
https://musescore.org/en/node/329383
and it looks like you are (still?) working on 'Wayfaring Stranger", so I took your attachment from there and added some simple alternating bass accompaniment and then some 'Travis style' finger picking towards the end.
For melodies like this, once these techniques are learned and embedded in the mind as reflex, or 'muscle memory', they can be improvised "on the fly" while viewing a simple 'lead sheet' as a guide for the chords and melody -- without needing to completely spell it all out in notation,
Here's your modified score:
Wayfaring-fingerpicking.mscz
(The TAB may need the usual fret/string adjustments for playability.)
Also, I noticed this post of yours:
https://musescore.org/en/node/329213
so I added.2 percussive "taps" in measure 24. (Use the default MuseScore soundfont.)
In reply to I recently saw this post of… by Jm6stringer
Thanks. Seems like U play guitar also, Im sort of a low intermediate player focusing mostly on bluegrass and folk stuff. What U saw in my score(s) was stepping stones for me. My goal is to try to imitate the banjo solo
beginning at about 2.3 mins in this version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2lM1ISyNeo
I love its dissonance.
Dick
In reply to Hmmm, I guess I only 1/2… by dpenny
The first note you wrote is extremely high on the guitar, and it's totally correct that it would be notated above the staff - it's exactly what you'd need to write if you want it to actually sound that high. Probably you should just transpose the music down an octave for guitar. That's pretty much the norm in cases like this.