Positioning of fingering numbers
As you can see from this image, the fingering number has been placed in the staff:
Would it not be better to place this above the staff, so it is more legible?
If this isn't an error, is there any reason you'd put the number in the staff, rather than above it?
I found this thread on the release of better spacing of accidentals, it looks like fingering numbers have been overlooked...
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There are several kinds of fingerings, which have different alignments. which ones have you been using?
And which version of MuseScore? I see no fingering type that aligned like this, it is either above staff or left of the notehead
In reply to There are several kinds of… by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm using musescore 2.1.0 (version 871c8ce).
I select the note then double click the fingering number from the 'fingering' section in the pallete.
(In this case I'm using the 4 from the top row)
In reply to I'm using musescore 2.1.0 … by marcellothearcane
You have either changed the location of the finger or used the one from the third row in your picture. The ones on the first row appear above the staff.
In reply to You have either changed the… by mike320
"Would it not be better to place this above the staff, so it is more legible?"
It's not the common/standard way in the published scores for guitar (I guess it's for guitar?) but why not, if you prefer.
A plugin allows to achieve this: https://musescore.org/fr/project/fingering-positioner
And see also two customized versions (LH and RH versions) in this thread/comment: https://musescore.org/en/node/142436#comment-674791
In reply to "Would it not be better to… by cadiz1
The plugin is great, thanks. Default behaviour, anyone?
In reply to The plugin is great, thanks… by marcellothearcane
The problem is that different positions make sense in different contexts. The default tries to cover the most common cases while not looking too bad by default in other cases. Future versions of MuseScore will have smarter automatic layout options.
In reply to You have either changed the… by mike320
This is what it defaults to. I haven't moved it at all.
In reply to This is what it defaults to… by marcellothearcane
Ah! It's above the chord. When I tested it, the notes had the stems up and the numbers were above the stems.
In reply to Ah! It's above the chord… by mike320
and left to the note if there is a real chord (more than one note on same stem)
In reply to Ah! It's above the chord… by mike320
Sorry, should have explained better.
There is another, related issue (feature?) with the placement of fingering numbers. If a note's pitch is modified after adding a fingering number, the number placement does not respect changes in the direction of the note stem. The fingering number remains at a fixed distance from the note head, whether the note stem is up or down. In the attached example, the two notes in each bar were entered at the same pitch, a fingering number was added to each and then the pitch of the second note was shifted (using the up or down arrows or CTRL+UP/DOWN).
Test Fingering Number Placement.mscz
While the number here are still legible, when the numbers are attached to shorter notes they can become obscured by the beams.
Is it also relevant that the default offsets, sizes etc for fingerings are specified via the [Style][Text] menu rather than the [Style][General] menu where, for example, defaults for articulations are found?
In reply to There is another, related… by SteveBlower
It is true that fingerings don't adjust automatically in this way. To reset their positions, simply select them and press Ctrl+R.
Fingerings are indeed text which is why settings are found in that menu. But offsets are actually special in that the placement algorithm does a lot special work to figure out the best place based on various factors, rather than just blindly applying the offset in the text style.
In reply to It is true that fingerings… by Marc Sabatella
Yes, that works, but how to select all fingerings? I can [CTRL][click] on each one, but this would be tedious if there are a lot of fingerings to reset. I can select all but that would reset other things that I might not want to be reset. I tried using the selection filter with only "Fingering" ticked, but [Edit][Select All] doesn't seem to work. Am I missing something or is this another "unexpected behaviour"?
In reply to Yes, that works, but how to… by SteveBlower
Select one -> right-click on it -> Select -> All similar elements.
In reply to Yes, that works, but how to… by SteveBlower
Indeed, right click menu is the tool for this. The selection filter is more about excluding things from a range selection, rather than selecting just one particular element type. The result of filtering is always still a range selection, and in order for it to be meaningful, that means it must contain notes, so unselected all voices won't work.