Ties difficult to get right
1) I wanted to create a tie to a single note. I selected first note with mouse and switched to N mode. The cursor bar appeared in front of the note. Pressing + doesn't work - it will just move the cursor after note. Pressing it again will do the trick.
Ok so I thought when entering a tie I need to select next object after a note (like rest f.e.) and then switch to N mode. Doing this and pressing + will however not work at all.
=> when switching between select and N mode entering tie is difficult. It should be made more intuitive
2) Entering a tied chord doesn't seem to work at all. This is a big problem since all non-trivial piano compositions use this feature. Unless I am missing something.
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Which version of MuseScore? if 1.x, try out on a nightly build, only these will receive fixes.
And yes, 1.3 seems to need + twice after entering note entry mode on an existing note.
But only one + on freshly added notes
Tieing two existing chords can be done by selecting the stem of the 1st chord and pressing +
I just tried the night build. The behavior there is slightly different but still far from ideal.
1) for single note tie switching between select and N mode still requires pressing + twice. Not intuitive.
2) selecting stem chord and pressing + works however:
only tie is drawn so I still need to repeat the chord. This is not consistent with single note tie where note is automatically repeated. Automatic repeating is a good thing since tie without a second note doesn't exist so here the chord should be repeated too (see my other ticket "repeat command should repeat whole chord" which might be relevant).
3) I really want to make this work even in N mode and without selecting stem. So pressing + should do the tied chord from the previous one. You don't need to be afraid that somebody will want to tie only particular note in a chord - if it is so music notation says chord should be divided into more chords in separate voices and each of them can be tied separately. Separate voices are already supported AFAIK.
3) There might be some annotations which don't break chord per voice and do only a partial tied chord but I think such notations are in a minority and could be supported by deleting the notes from tied chord afterwards.
I can attach some images to illustrate common notation practice if needed
on the picture
A - usual case: whole chord is tied
B - when chord has a partial tie then it is divided into more parts in separate voices. Each part can be tied separately
Did you try reading the Handbook or watching any of the tutorial videos to see how ties are entered? The process is explained pretty clearly. There is certaily room for improvement, but your initial post aboves seems to suggest you were just randomly trying things rather than doing what the documentation says to do - which does work. Ordinarily, you wouldn't be switching between note entry and "regular" modea in the middle of entering a tie. You enter the tie right after entering the first note; you don't leae note entry mode at all. I can't think of any specific cases whee you'd specifically want to leave entey half way through entering a tie, then re-enter note entry mode to complete the process.
But it is true that if for some reaosn you do that - like if you change your mind about music already entered - there is no straightforward way in note entry mode to add a tie to a note entered during a previous note entry session. The tie mechanism seems to only work currectly on the most recently entered note, and only if you do so immediately without, say, cursoring back and forth first. Definitely could be improved.
You guys are in a contradiction.
First Jojo-Schmitz says: "Tieing two existing chords can be done by selecting the stem of the 1st chord and pressing +"
Your manual adds: "note entrymode must not be enabled"
Then Marc Sabatella says: "Ordinarily, you wouldn't be switching between note entry and "regular" modea in the middle of entering a tie. You enter the tie right after entering the first note; you don't leae note entry mode at all"
The problem here is that entering chord tie in entry mode doesn't work. You need to switch back to regular mode to be able to select chord stem. This can bring problems discussed above and I agree this is not comfortable enough so all I want is to make entering chord ties work in entry mode as well. And the logic way would be to make it work in the same way as single note ties. That's what I was trying to say.
Marc Sabatella says:
But it is true that if for some reaosn you do that - like if you change your mind about music already entered - there is no straightforward way in note entry mode to add a tie to a note entered during a previous note entry session. The tie mechanism seems to only work currectly on the most recently entered note, and only if you do so immediately without, say, cursoring back and forth first. Definitely could be improved.
Yep this is very common in all kinds of software. If you make it possible for the user to do some action in different ways then you have to fully support all the ways. If not some user will always choose a "bad" way and then he will feel upset that it doesn't work as expected. Saying something doesn't work because most users will do it different way is not a good argument. Not from a usability point of view.
I figured out how to incorporate ties from note to note in my already-written piece, but when I insert a tie, the lyrics under the notes disappear. Can someone help me out? Thanks very much.
@CRE: you're at the wrong place here, this issue is totally unrelated and you should better go to the support forum.
Other than that: you probably want a slur rather than a tie
This is probably better for the forum, so I close this.
Please post if you disagree.