Add beams

• Dec 6, 2017 - 03:41

I can't seem to add beams to connect notes in a simple song... what am I doing wrong?

Palettes, beam properties, (I've tried dragging to existing notes- nothing) I've tried clicking there and then adding new notes- they didn't show up connected)... help


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Can you attach the score you are having problems with and precise steps to reproduce the problem?
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Beams are created automatically if you actually enter notes that are supposed to be beamed - eighth notes, sixteenth notes, etc. My guess is you are entering them as quarter notes and then trying to add beams to turn them into eighth notes. It doesn't work that way :-). For more information, see the Handbook under "Note input" for more info, or watch the tutorial videos, which are excellent.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

It won't let me make 8th notes... Does it matter what the time signature is? It keeps putting weird symbols in every single note I add-- and they can't be deleted- I just have to move them out of the way until I have a whole pile. --- I'm not very good at this but I need to change a song I'm playing to a different key. So I need to move all the notes one step up. Any advise you can give will help!

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In reply to by northfrost

To delete a note - which in musical terms, means replacing it with silence, but leaving all other notes at exactly the same time position you originally entered them - simply leave note input mode, click the note, and press Delete. but my guess is, since you entered all your notes incorrectly to begin with, you don't want to leave the other notes where they are - you probably want to move some unspecified number them earlier in time to correct your previous mistake. To move any number of notes earlier in time, select them then use cut & paste.

In reply to by northfrost

You haven't entered very many eighth notes at all - you have entered mostly quarter notes. The only eighth notes you entered were the ones in measures 2 and 3, but you didn't enter them consecutively - you entered one eighth note on beat one, and then after a bunch of rests, you entered a sixteenth on beat three. For some reason you then moved the rests out of the way, I guess with the hope that this would moved the sixteenth note from beat three to the "and" of two where it presumably belongs, but again, it doesn't work that way. If you want two adjacent eighth notes, simply enter them that way. So immediately after entering one eighth note, enter the next one immediately after (either by clicking or by typing its name).

Have you read the section of the Handbook I mentioned, or watched the tutorial videos? They explain very well how to enter different note durations. The key is to select the duration (using the toolbar or shortcuts) before entering the notes themselves.

In reply to by northfrost

The will only connect if they are consecutive. Beams are not normally used to connect a beat one beat 1 to a note on beat 3 if there are rests between them. You need to enter the eighth notes consecutively in the first place, not enter them separated by rests, or enter them onto different beats as quarter notes then shorten them. Simply enter the correct notes in the first place and all is well right out of the box.

In reply to by northfrost

The will only connect if they are consecutive. Beams are not normally used to connect a beat one beat 1 to a note on beat 3 if there are rests between them. You need to enter the eighth notes consecutively in the first place, not enter them separated by rests, or enter them onto different beats as quarter notes then shorten them. Simply enter the correct notes in the first place and all is well right out of the box.

In reply to by northfrost

Eight notes in a bar of 4/4 or common time or 8/8 means you need eighth notes. So, select the eight note duration from the toolbar then simply enter the notes. You have selected the quarter note duration, not the eighth note duration. The eighth note has the little flag on it. Select that (after entering note input mode) then start clicking or typing and you will get all the eighth notes you could ever want.

In reply to by northfrost

"...you have to write the music backwords..."

This statement makes no sense unless you mean compared to Hebrew or Arabic. If you input 3 consecutive 8th notes from left to right, they will connect according to the beam properties in the time signature. Your sample score you uploaded had no consecutive eighth notes, so none were connected. You are making life difficult on yourself. MuseScore works in a very logical manner once you learn to enter notes. Please give an example of the keystrokes (or mouse inputs) you are using to enter the eighth notes. What do you expect the actions to do? What do they actually do?

In reply to by northfrost

It only worked one time-- I'm still having issues. It doesn't seem to be working right.
I'm not making it difficult for the fun of it-- I just don't know everything about music and I also don't understand time signatures very well which I think is the problem-- and since you have to choose that before you even begin writing it makes it even harder (for me)
Anyways, sorry for bothering you-- I either need to give up or find a more patient person to ask lol

In reply to by northfrost

You can easily change a quarter to an eighth - just leave note input mode, click the note, then select the desired location. The note will be changed and all other notes will be left exactly in the same time position you entered them in. Normally that's a good thing, but since you entered your notes incorrectly in the first place, that won;t help much. At this point it would be much easier to start over and enter the notes correctly.

In reply to by northfrost

That was the first time I commented on this thread. I think asking what you are doing is offering to be very patient. My intention was to explain why what you are doing is wrong and how to do it correctly. If I thought you were bothering me I would never have commented. You are obviously very confused about what you are doing and I was offering to help.

I will start by explaining a time signature. The bottom number tells you the duration of a beat. 8 means 1/8 note, 4 means 1/4 note and so on. The top number tells you how many of the beats are in a measure. So 3/4 time means a measure has three 1/4 notes in it. 6/8 has six 1/8 notes in a measure. The difference between the two have to do with the beaming and the slight emphasis a real musician will put on the down beats. A time signature of C is called common time. It is included in the basic time signature pallet. It can be thought of as identical to 4/4 in modern music notation. The C with a line through it is called cut time and can be thought of as 2/2 time - 2 half notes per measure.

Beats can be combined to make longer notes, such as two 1/4 notes make a 1/2 note. There is nothing wrong with several measures of 1/2 notes in 4/4 time for example. Notes can also be split into smaller note. So a 1/4 note can be split into two 1/8 notes or four 1/16 notes and so on. As with longer notes, there is nothing wrong with having several measures of nothing but 1/8 and 1/16 notes in them.

In the case of your other post with a picture. The first measure is called a pickup measure. Even though the time signature is C (four 1/4 notes) it only has a single 1/8 note in it. When you create a new score there is an option of having a pickup measure. Check the box, put a 1 in the square before the "/" then click the 4 after it so the drop down appears and click the 8. Musicians understand the first measure often has fewer beats than the rest of the measures. There are other ways to do this in MuseScore, but I think it's best to just do it at the beginning to make it easier at the moment.

As far as entering notes are concerned. Since I suspect you are not real comfortable with the note names, here's how to best enter the notes. Click the first rest where you want to start entering notes. Press N to start Note entry mode. Either press 4 (to set the duration to an 1/8 note) or click the 1/8 icon on the toolbar at the top of the screen. Next, move the mouse so the blue dot indicating where the note will be placed to the proper spot - it will look like it is in the same spot at the rest, this is expected. For the next note, move the blue dot to the next rest and place it where the note belongs. By the time you enter the third note in your score, you will see the beams start to appear. The rests will change according to the notes you enter so you always have 4 beats in the measure (in you score you posted). If you are comfortable with the note names then press A for an A, B for a B and so on. For now, I would suggest you click the sharps, flats and naturals on the toolbar after you enter the note to add any accidentals. Do not forget that if the next note has a different duration, change it before you enter the note. I would suggest for now that if you make an error, just press back space to delete it and fix it. Also, t0 enter a rest, press the duration and press 0 while still in note entry mode and that rest will appear and the entry point will move to the next spot. You need to get used to entering notes before you worry about more advanced techniques. Your score is relatively simple to enter and you should learn a lot about MuseScore entering it.

For now, enter it as the source score has it. Once the score is completely entered ask how to transpose it, and someone will tell you (I'll make a point to watch for you).

I'm going to bed now, so I hope this will help you get started. You are learning something new, so don't expect to be able to do everything correctly from the first time you try. The biggest help you have is the handbook. It explains everything you need to enter this score. There are really no advanced techniques necessary at all.

In reply to by mike320

Actually the note names (I assume you mean A-G) are the only thing I can make sense of LOL - that's why I need to redo the song so I will have sheet music I can read and play because the current one is in the wrong key-- I hand wrote the notes in but my eyes are too trained to read the music and I keep messing up the song. (This software is very hard to use)

In reply to by northfrost

You can actually change time signature any time you want.

Please watch the tutorial video again to learn how to enter notes correctly. The steps are always as follows: first enter note input mode, then select the duration for a note, then enter the pitch for that note. So, to enter eight eighth notes - regardless of what time signature you are in, simply do the following exactly:

1) click the desired measure
2) press the Note Input button (or press "N" on your keyboard)
3) select the eighth note duration (or press "4" on your keyboard)
4) click on the staff where you want first note to appear (or type its name, like "C")
5) click on the the staff where you want the second note to appear (or type its name, like "D")
6) keep clicking or typing to enter more eighth notes

It's as simple as that. Works every single time without fail if you follow those steps. You don;t need to add beams manually - if you enter eighth notes, MuseScore already know when and how to create the necessary beams.

When I see a newcomer to MS, I often think, "Oh, if he/she were nearby, then I would be happy to meet them in a coffee shop and show them how to do stuff on a laptop." Anyone else have that thought? Not really trying to start a meet-up system (maybe after I retire...) or figure out how to arrange it, but just mentioning the idea. Most things like that are not workable and fizzle, but who knows? I'm sure others have contemplated it.

In reply to by MikeN

Funny you should mention this. Actually, I've been thinking along the same lines the past few months, and have investigated a bit about what would be involved. I've got some other projects I'm dealing with right now, but this may well be something I try to make happen soon.

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