Impossible to tie to a grace note

• Jul 21, 2010 - 07:34
S4 - Minor


  1. Create a new score
  2. Enter a quarter C
  3. Enter a quarter D
  4. And two 8th grace notes C and D in front of D
  5. Try to tie the first quarter C with the first grace 8th note C

Actual result : It's impossible to create a tie between a note and grace note. (but it's possible to tie a grace note to a note)
Expected result: It should be possible.

Workaround : Use a slur between to non grace notes and shorten it.

First reported by Widmung, a screenshot is provided


I find I *can* tie to grace note - create the tie nomally, then double click and drag to change the anchor. But then if I change the pitch of the second main note with arrow keys, it actually changes the pitch of the first main note & tied grace note instead.

I should also mention the inability to tie from grace to normal note - how I discovered the problem.

Such ties in 1.x scores are removed in 2.0.

I'm not sure about a case for tying into a grace note, so we should probably check with others.

Just having a quick look at 'Behind Bars' - not sure if it's a slur or tie in the example in page 127?

here [node:38666] there is an example of grace note tyed to real same note with a Schmann piano score
Maybe a pianist could explain to us what it is usually played and waht the "mission" of this tied note is....?

Attached is the Schumann score (published by G. Schirmer) in which acciaccaturas tied into their principal notes can be found passim, most notably in the bass clef.

Where there is only one other note on the beat, the manner of articulation is arpeggiation - but, as is often the case, a choice was made by composer or editor to notate the passage in an alternate manner from what might be expected among various possibilities.

However, in this case cited by Chen Lung above (and in at least one spot in the Schumann, too) - where an acciaccatura is tied into just one note of a chord - it is not strictly arpegiation that's depicted. Instead, the acciaccatura would be played on the beat and the other notes immediately afterward but together. (My interpretation is in accordance with performance practices of the classical and early romantic periods, in which acciaccaturas are played on the beat rather than in anticipation of the beat.)

Grace tied to normal note.png

Here are further specific examples, this time from Fauré's Ballade Op. 19, published by Hamelle:

tied acciaccatura ballade 1.png

tied acciaccatura ballade 2.png

tied acciaccatura ballade 3.png

tied acciaccatura ballade 4.png

tied grace notes ballade 1.png