pedal mark problems in transfer of file from 1.3 to 2.0
I transferred a piece from 1.3 to 2.0 and have problems with the pedal marks (Ped symbols).
1. A number of Led symbols were scattered around the score which I have been able to delete. And re-do. That part is OK.
2. All of the 'Pedal up' marks (the circular cog type sign - shaped like a rose) - got scattered around the score and became converted to a smaller Led sign. They cannot be deleted. But I notice they don't appear on a print out?
How do I get rid of them? Has anyone else had this problem?
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As usual, we would need to see the specific score in order to know what is going on.
There's a pretty good chance the problem is that the markings were added incorrectly in the first place - attached to one note then dragged to appear to align with another. But that's just a guess.
In reply to As usual, we would need to by Marc Sabatella
The fact that the pedal signs are needing to be deleted and re-entered is not a problem. Having symbols that don't seem to be able to be deleted is the problem.
In reply to The fact that the pedal signs by collierr
Well, neither is normal, so both are potential problems, although one is more serious than the other. But again, without a score and steps to reproduce there problem, it is difficult to help.
I have now managed to delete almost all the 'stray' items which appear as reduced size 'Led' symbols. Except for 2 stray 'Leds'! They are still a problem as below:
Luckily they don't appear on a print out of the score and I noticed that if I increase the zoom to 800% they also disappear. Also if you cut certain staves/bars out (i.e. delete certain bars) they move around the score and appear in other places. I tried copying and pasting to a new score in 2.0,2 and they re-appeared.
I am reluctant to post/attach this draft score for all to see as I am still working out copyright? But I don't want to start from scratch!
Question is:
Has anyone using Musescore ever experienced items (or symbols in particular) randomly appearing on a score which defy selection (can't be selected for 'cut') - but which don't appear on a print out? And how was that sort of problem resolved?
I suppose it could just be that I am the only person to have unfortunately experienced such a happening but it does seem unlikely?
In reply to I have now managed to delete by collierr
For various reasons, a score element (e.g. symbol, line) can get positioned far away from its default anchor position (e.g. note, measure) that it defies selection.
You can try one of these:
Ctrl+A will select, and then Ctrl+R will reset *ALL* score elements layout.
If you have a particular *unselectable* element and you have another one that *is selectable*, then do a CTRL+A reset for *All Similar* elements.
Regards.
In reply to I have now managed to delete by collierr
You own the copyright the moment you write it - there is nothing to work out. You can "register" you copyright in certain conuntries, but accoridng to laws of viertually every country, according to international treaty, you work is fully protected already. So there is no causde for concern.
The msot commony cause for objects that appear on the score but can't be selected is that they were attached to one note / measure then manually dragged so far away from their original location that they appear on another page. The solution in those cases is to select all then then hit Ctrl+R to return everything to its default location and see where they move to. Once you have identified the proper location, you can then Ctrl+Z to undo, then select just the measure where the marking is actually attached and do Ctrl+R again to only reset positions there.
In reply to I have now managed to delete by collierr
Wait—is it "Led" or "Ped?" "Ped" makes more sense.
In reply to Wait—is it "Led" or "Ped?" by Isaac Weiss
I'm sure it's the traditional "Ped" marking, where the script used for that symbol does indeed make the "P" resemble an "L".
In reply to I'm sure it's the traditional by Marc Sabatella
To Marc
As regards copyright I accept what you say if you create an entirely new work with no reference to anyone or other work. Where it is an arrangement then Public Domain comes into play. If the original is very old it may be Public Domain - but it is a tricky and complicated subject? And the rules differ in different parts on the Globe? And I need to be aware of that.
To both Marc and JM6 - I have tried to follow what you say to fix the problem but I have had no success so far in isolating and deleting the 2 remaining pedal symbols. I would need a step by step explanation from you. I understand Control+A and Control+R (that's easy) but after that in your explanation it is somewhat difficult to follow.
The piece has many pedal symbols (40 in all) and all but 2 can be highlighted and deleted and the restored but two are immovable.
In the end I may just have to accept the 2 stray pedal symbols appearing in the piece but at least they disappear on print out - I believe. And thank you for your help and accept the 'gremlins' that have appeared in the transfer from the two systems?
In reply to To Marc As regards copyright by collierr
If you mean you are concerned about posting the piece because it is *ot* your original work, you can simply delete most of the content and post an excerpt, that is considered fair use.
Step by step:
1) Press Ctrl+A
2) Press Ctrl+R
At this point the markings should return to their correct measures, so you can search the score and find them then delete them (or leave them there - maybe that is where they belong).
The remaining steps were more about what to do if Ctrl+R resets things that you *don't* want reset - like manual adjustments that were actually necessary and correct. *If* that is the case, then the steps are as follows:
1) Ctrl+A
2) Ctrl+R
3) note which measure the problem pedal marking is attached to, but don't delete it
4) Ctrl+Z to undo the Ctrl+R
5) now select just the measure you noted at step 3
6) Ctrl+R
7) Select the & delete the marking
A slightly obscure way to solve this would be to save a copy of the score as an .MSCX (uncompressed) file and then use an editor to hunt for values of "x= and "y=. Typically these values are less than 20 for items placed close to their anchoring note/rest/other element but they may be 78 or 126 or whatever for an item placed far away from its intended place.
Once you identify a rogue value, look up to the preceding Measure number ="xx" line then you can go back to the score and click just on that measure and do [Ctrl] r to restore everything associated with that measure to its original place (less messy than moving everything in the score) or you could simply delete everything from Symbol to /Symbol in the MSCX file and save it.
If you've got some spreadsheet skills you could even open the score in a spreadsheet and do a search for values of x or y greater than a certain threshold value. Remember to search for negative values as well.
In reply to A slightly obscure way to by underquark
Now THAT'S truly underquarkian... :-)
Regards.
I did (thanks to you) succeed in getting rid of the stray Ped marks. Basically I used control+A, control+R, then Contol+Z. At that point 6 stubborn Ped marks were displayed completely out of position. But they were now capable of selection so I selected, right clicked on the mouse and chose cut.
Only problem was that I had lost the beams on most notes - but I re-beamed all. So good result.
The not so good news is that I have virtually finished this piece and noticed anther gremlin. A stray 'hairpin' (cresc) which is visible - although I don't believe it shows on printing. It cannot be highlighted and the controls +A, +R and + Z have no effect. It just re-appears. Very annoying. I have tried deleting the measures where it appears and replacing them - no avail?
I don't want to start this piece all over for the sake of a stray hairpin (cresc)! Any suggestions?
In reply to I did (thanks to you) succeed by collierr
Attach it here and we'll have a look ;-)
In reply to Attach it here and we'll have by Jojo-Schmitz
At the moment I would prefer not to attach, apologies. The question is
Have other persons discovered (in transfer of files from 1.3 to 2.0) items which won't allow selection, can't therefore be deleted - so remain on score? If so, any more ideas to deal with?
And is this a general problem or is it just me? Thanks.
In reply to At the moment I would prefer by collierr
In general, just what we have already described - if elements - in 1.3 scores or otherwise - are dragged so far from their true positions so as to appear on a totally different page, they bcome unselectable. But Ctrl+A followed by Ctrl+R would fix that by returning the elements to their true positions.
Feel free to delete all the rest of the music before posting the score if you are that concerned about copyright, but we really need to see a score to help further.
Unfortunately Control+A followed by Control+R did not work in the case of the displaced hairpin. It did work however for the displaced Peds.
And cutting down the piece to attach it here was no point as, when it was reduced, the displaced hairpin disappeared. Tried cutting various parts, it disappeared but re-appeared in other places not cut. A moving target.
But I have now succeeded. Here is my solution, in case it helps others:
1. I compared 'original draft' in 1.3 with 'almost finished draft' in 2.0
2. Noted hairpins which had transferred correctly and, by deduction, tried to spot the rogue hairpin.
3. Cut the suspect hairpin from the 'original draft' in 1.3.
4. Re-transferred the amended 'original draft' in 1.3 to a 'new named file in 2.0'
5. In 'new named file in 2.0', I then did Cntl+A and Cntl+R to remove the 6 rogue Peds as before
6. Copied and pasted clef by clef (measures) in turn, from the 'almost finished draft' in 2.0, to the 'new named file in 2.0', looking to see if and when the rogue hairpin would re-appear
7. The 2 piano clefs were fine when copied and pasted, the bass clef was also fine - but tenor clef caused the hairpin to reappear
8. So I saved the 'new named file in 2.0', having copied piano and bass clefs, and I effectively re-did the tenor line manually
9. Now there is no rogue hairpin!
A long drawn out process but the piece is finally correct in 2.0.