Different pages scaling between pages
As you know, Musescore allows you to scale your music up or down to fit the dimensions better. All you do is go to Layout -> Page Setting and there is a scaling option. However this scales the entire score. If I wanted to have a smaller scaling on the first page than all the rest do to the title, how would I go about that. In a score I'm working on, the margins on the second page are huge, and I want to reduce those without my entire first page splitting into two, the score and the title. This is really messing up the way I want my score to look. Thanks for all the help.
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Page margins have nothing to do with the space setting (or scaling). But either are valid for the entire scoe (the latter thogh can be different for even and odd pages).
I guess you're not talking about those though, so please elaborate what you really mean and if possible attahc the score shound this unwanted behavoir
In reply to Page margins have nothing to by Jojo-Schmitz
The problem I'm having is not with the set margins, but the ones created when the score is not scaled as big as it could be. In the score I'm attaching, you can see how perfectly everything fits on the first page but since this piece has a big title section, and I don't want that extra space used by the title ending up on the other page just being useless space.
In reply to The problem I'm having is not by Grimes Music
You mean the space between the bottom staff and the footer?
You could add a vertitical frame to (the first measure of) every page, make it the same hight.
Or you could uses spacers between the staves of all pags except 1st.
Other than that indeed #124806: Allow "staff distance" on first page to differ from subsequent pages. might be what you'd need here
In reply to You mean the space between by Jojo-Schmitz
I want the music to fill the entire page until it hits the set margins.
In reply to I want the music to fill the by Grimes Music
Understood. Not possible currently, not automatically at least. But with some work and adding spacers it can be done
In reply to Understood. Not possible by Jojo-Schmitz
not without manually changing every page after the first one.
In reply to not without manually changing by mike320
How would one go about changing every page manually?
In reply to How would one go about by Grimes Music
ad a spaced to one measure in every non-last staff on evrery non-first page. Select one, right-click, select all similar, use inspector to grow/shrink to your likings
In reply to ad a spaced to one measure in by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks. I'll see how it goes
In reply to ad a spaced to one measure in by Jojo-Schmitz
When attempting this, the only inspector option to do with size will grow/shrink horizontally, I want the whole thing to be scaled up.
In reply to When attempting this, the by Grimes Music
Without effecting the first page
In reply to When attempting this, the by Grimes Music
Look at the attached, I added spacers just like explained above (but with some typos, sorry about that) and set them all to be 7.75sp in length
In reply to Look at the attached, I added by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you I love you forever.
Here is the last big discussion about this.
https://musescore.org/en/node/124806
In reply to Here is the last big by mike320
So what your saying is my feature doesn't exist?
In reply to So what your saying is my by Grimes Music
This one doesn't existe yet, indeed
In reply to This one doesn't existe yet, by Jojo-Schmitz
That kinda sucks. Makes my score look unprofessional.
In reply to That kinda sucks. Makes my by Grimes Music
Most professionally published scores don't really do this in my experience. If you know of particular publishers that do, feel free to provide more information so we can investigate further.
In reply to Most professionally published by Marc Sabatella
If the number of instruments and and the sizing make it so that one system fills each page, then in my (admittedly limited and random) experience "I want the music to fill the entire page until it hits the set margins" is always done. Screenshot of two pages side by side from this PDF :
Notice how it's the same number of staves, and the margins line up, but in between it varies according to which staves need more room.
In reply to If the number of instruments by Isaac Weiss
I see what you mean in this case. I've got tons of examples that have ragged bottom margins though.
In reply to If the number of instruments by Isaac Weiss
Paper Size!
Some scores and especially partituras isn't fit in a letter size paper (21.5 x 27.94 mm) or A4-size paper (slightly different size).
on above PDF, page size is 11 x 17 inch (27.94 x 43.18mm) = it is A3 size.
Attack of the aliens mscz (very beginning of the conversation) is Letter size.
In reply to Paper Size! Some scores and by Ziya Mete Demircan
So? You can't have different paper size on page 1 vs all others. So if something nicely fits on page 1, like here title frame and one system, it won't fill page 2 and following upper to lower page boundray, that frame's height will be left on the bottom of those pages. Unless you increase the staff distance on all but the 1st pages, which is what I did using spacers (or reduce on 1st page, which we could do, with #61041: Negative staff spacer in the next major version)
In reply to So? You can't have different by Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry;
I just say something about readability in real life (and printout of course).
I wrote this, because I read the phrase: "my score look unprofessional" somewhere.
I guess, it seemed like I answered another subject. :)
I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
In reply to Sorry; I just say something by Ziya Mete Demircan
You can get the printer to grow/shrink to fit, so an A4 in MuseScore can get printed on A3, filling the page
In reply to You can get the printer to by Jojo-Schmitz
Just out of curiosity: What is wrong with a separate title page, especially for scores?
I use separate title pages even for parts--it allows sometimes for better page turns.
In reply to Just out of curiosity: What by azumbrunn
paper waste...
Just found this thread after making a post asking for the same thing https://musescore.org/en/node/303072
Still waiting to see if we'll ever have this problem fixed so making scores look professional doesn't take an unnecessarily long amount of time due to having to adjust individual staff spacers across dozens of pages of music hosting as many as 30 separate staves
In reply to Just found this thread after… by sihplak
Yeah, why can’t the staff spacing adjust automatically to fill out the page. I don’t understand why this isn’t a feature yet.
In reply to Yeah, why can’t the staff… by Grimes Music
Main reasn it hasn't is that no one who has requested the feature has proposed a comprehensive design for how such a feature should work, how it should interact with the feature for adding space between systems when there are multiple systems per page, etc.
In reply to Main reasn it hasn't is that… by Marc Sabatella
Why not have the two -- at least for the time being -- be mutually exclusive? Where you click a bubble like in Swing Settings where you can have either one of the two settings active, but not both simultaneously, to determine if you adjust min/max system spacing or min/max staff spacing? Alternatively, why not have staff spacing result in systems or system spacing being moved if both were to happen simultaneously. In this sense, staff spacing interacts with system spacing like how system spacing interacts with system spacing. I personally am not a programmer, so I apologize if this all seems very much in the "easier said than done" category of things, but hopefully these suggestions make sense.
In reply to Why not have the two -- at… by sihplak
That's not a bad idea at all, but it doesn't completely address the issue, I don't think. For scores that are mostly one system per page but sometimes have multiple systems (e.g., an orchestra score that reduces to strings only for a while) it seems likely to not produce ideal results. And there is still the more fundamental issue to resolve that I've described elsewhere: until we've determined how many systems will fit on the page, we don't know whether it makes sense to add space between staves or not. And by the time we've decided how many staves will fit, it's already past the time when staff distances are set. We could possibly recalculate those pages only, but that does start to get messy, because lots of things depend on being done in a particular order.
The one case I can see being pretty easy to solve, though, is this: a page that has only one system and that system includes a page break. Now we know as soon as we finish collecting that system that it is OK to stretch the staff distances. Then at least you'd only need to resort to spacers on the pages containing multiple systems. So, that idea has some promise. I suppose it might also be possible to add a property to the system break for the systems on those pages that allows you to override the staff distance just for that system., Hmm, that's definitely got some potential,. Still needs more thought, though.
In reply to Yeah, why can’t the staff… by Grimes Music
For systems we have min and max distance, something similar would be be needed for staff distance.