display courtesy counter when have consecutive measure repeat simile symbols

• Oct 6, 2016 - 00:01
Reported version
S5 - Suggestion

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/short-repeats subheading "Selected Snippets" shows a number over the single-measure repeat to indicate how many times that meausre has repeated so far, to facilitate counting when reading:

I found this article http://www.rpmseattle.com/of_note/on-location-number-repeated-measures-i... about a finale plugin to do this: https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Finale2012Win/Content/Finale/Number_... and sibilius has a built-in-feature for this http://johnhinchey.com/2010/09/23/sibelius-tutorial-drum-set-notation-pa... ...and interestingly the sibelius built-in feature places the count inside parenthesis. I'm thinking parenthesis is probably better way to go for counters, should #127371: Collapse Multiple Consecutive Single-Measure Repeat Measures into one Single Measure Multi-Repeat be implemented in musescore.
also cross-linking to the musescore feature request for exactly this: https://musescore.org/en/node/121481


This courtesy counter is widely used in orchestral music. I have never seen it in parentheses though but just the way it is in your illustrations. Often without repeat signs though, but just the repeated measures printed out, especially if you have a pedal point like continuation of the same tone over multiple measures.

It ought to be available as feature in Musescore proper--essentially a way to put text above the middle of the measure, not in an plugin I think.

Re. paraenthesis, maybe the best way is to have that be a configurable setting, with no parenthesis being default. There would also be a setting to toggle whether or not these courtesy things are displayed, and if they are displayed, then after how many measures should they be displayed.

I think not as a plugin as well.

I really need this, but neither the simple the simple manual workaround described here nor a plug-in will work in all cases. For example, if you have enough similes in the full score to justify the using numbering (more than 3?) it is very likely that, in the score, and possibly in the part, a string of similes will be split across two pages. In this case, the first simile on the new page should be replaced by the real measure and the renumbering will have to restart. The chances of a page break occurring at the same place in the part and the score are minimal (and they may even be different in parts with different transpositions) so you cannot work around the problem by manually replacing the simile in only the part or the score because Musescore will change it in the other.

HOWEVER, this does not apply to courtesy numbering for long held notes (I have 16 measures of G in one concert piece) so the implementation would be different. It's not as simple as it seems.

For the moment, I use the same work-around as for other problems of interdependence between score and part: duplicate the staves concerned in the master score and create a performance score as a "part" selecting different staves for the performance score and the individual parts. Then I can edit the performance score and the parts independently.

Hmm, I am not sure I'd want the measure to be shown again in full on the new page or for the numbering to restart - this would create the false impression that something changed, and can really mess with people's heads when counting in performance. But I can see that if you are adopting that as part of your personal house style, the fact that page breaks appear differently for score and parts would indeed be potentially problematic, and having separate staves would be the way to go. I guess you just have to ask yourself if it's really worth it.

I just created a new thread: #281393 but I'm not sure if this is the same thing. Too many similar terms flying around but representing different things.

From what I understand, the "Percent repeat counter" increments with every Simile mark?

I find the option of the one-bar Simile, with a counter above, to be quite elegant yet effective, as marked in the screenshot below. There is really no need to enter multiple Simile marks (unless one really wants to). This is very useful for 1-page percussion sheets.
multiple repeat.png