Missing higher notes of Baritone Saxophone

• Sep 1, 2015 - 12:41
Reported version
2.1
Type
Functional
Severity
S5 - Suggestion
Status
closed
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When having a Baritone Saxophone set I can not play tones higher than C5.
The range for amateur is from Ab1 to B5 and for Professional it is from C1 to A7.
When I change the instrument to Tenor Saxophone I can hear everything I have written.
Can you help me with this problem please?
Thank you in advance.

BR,
John Rouwhorst


Comments

Bari Sax is set up for an amateur range of Cb2-B4 and a profesional range of C2-Eb5 (does it make sense that the Amateur can get lower, even if it is just a semitone??)

The sound reaches up to A5 though. No such limit for Tenor Sax. and they do use different instruments in Mixer, so there seems to be something wrong in the soundfont.
So a Workaround for you might be to use the tenor sax sound for yout bari sax

On top there maybe an issue with the ranges, as set in instruments.xml

Are you sure you're reading that correctly? On my system, the default Baritone Sax ranges are:
Amateur: C#2 to Bb4
and Professional: C2 to Eb5

So the low end of the "amateur" range is actually one semitone *higher*, not lower, than the "professional" range. This probably does makes sense, not so much because of the technical issues of playing the low A (concert C2) but because some (mainly older) Baritone saxes only go down to Bb (concert Db2/C#2). Both types are available new though.

However, the upper end of the range is more debatable - most amateur players would probably only be comfortable up to the top "legitimate" note which, depending on the instrument in question, would either be F or F# (concert Ab4 or A4).

Most professional players *can* reach up to High C (concert Eb5) and possibly even higher, but this is in the "altissimo" register, control of which takes a lot of practice (it's certainly not just a question of "pressing the right keys"). Whilst most professionals regularly play in the altissimo register, for most it would be pretty rare to go quite that high, and then usually only when improvising. In notated music, I personally think it's a good idea not to write anything for Baritone sax above a top A (concert C5) at the very highest.

Amateur range for 2.0.2 and current builds has range as C#2 - Bb4 (not Cb2- B4). Those are concert pitches; this works out to Bb - G written. That is correct at the low end; upper end should probably be one or two semitones less.

The difference at the low end isn't actually about the player - it's about the instrument. Some baritone saxophones have a low A (concert C), others do not. Still, the warning is appropriate - low written A may or may not be playable.

At the upper end of the range, it's about the skill of the player. The basic saxophone fingerings go up to written F or F# depending on the instrument. So saying a written G is within amateur range is a stretch. Skilled players can extend another octave or even more above this through special "altissimo" techniques, but it does appear that the soundfont stops provides samples after the written G#. It should probably add a few more, borrowed from tenor sax would be fine.

But do realize, one does not normally *write* for the saxophone in the altissimo range. These are mostly things players works on for use improvising, although no doubt these and other "extended techniques" are used in various "experimental" classical works as well. Just because a player can produce a sound that high doesn't mean they can actually play any given passage that high. So unless you do have a special reaosn to be wanting to write in the altissimo range, you probably shouldn't.