Unconnected tie disappears after reducing value of note

• Oct 12, 2012 - 15:35
Type
Functional
Severity
3
Status
closed
Project
MuseScore

1. Create score.
2. Enable 'Note Entry'.
3. Input note.
4. Disable 'Note Entry'.
5. Click note.
6. Add unconnected tie.
7. Click note.
8. Change value.

Result: Unconnected tie disappears.

Using MuseScore 2.0 Nightly Build (fdd8040) - Mac 10.7.5.

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• Jun 5, 2013 - 03:06
Severity ⇒

I don't know if it was the case before, but at the moment, It only applies if the value of the note is reduced.

Using MuseScore 2.0 Nightly Build (1d3dcf3) - Mac 10.7.5.

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• Jun 5, 2013 - 15:54

??? Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that was supposed to be a pretty important feature addition for 2.0. The ability to easily create unconnected ties is useful for a few different things, but most obviously, to handle the case of a tie going into a volta, or from the end of a repeated section back to the beginning. Although I don't recall if it was ever fully working in terms of being able to get an unconnected tie *in* to a note.

Is there an alternate plan to support any of this?

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• Jun 5, 2013 - 16:22

pretty important feature addition
Come on ;) Linked parts, guitar tabs, etc... these are important features.

I can reactivate the feature easily, but I don't get the point of the volta since it will not play, you can put a slur, a plop/doit to have exactly the same graphical effect.

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• Jun 5, 2013 - 16:49

OK, I agree, not as big as those others :-). Although still, those particular features are only of use in "some" types scores - scores for multiple instruments and/or scores for guitar - whereas the unconnected ties are potentially useful for "more" scores. So there will be some who will see the unconnected tie thing as bigger.

However, it also seems the way the one-side tie was implemented, it may have become a bit crippled by the new (and admittedly *more* useful) facility to have "extended" ties. The effect of adding a tie was already dependent on what came next - as of course it should be - but now, it's apparently also affected by what comes "eventually". Really, I don't think we want to overload the "regular" tie facility to allow for unconnected ties in cases where it happens to work out that way. We want a dedicated "unconnected tie" facility that is guaranteed to produce an unconnected tie even if the next note is the same pitch. That way you could be sure you were getting an unconnected tie coming out of a repeat at the end of volta 1 even if the first note of volta 2 was the same pitch.

Lack of playback wouldn't concern me. Using a slur as a workaround would be more appealing if the shape didn't need manually adjusting and if the results didn't also depend on what came after. That bugs me enough that in 1.X I've been using the little tie-like symbol in the text symbols palette and bumping its size. Hmm, I wonder if that could be just made a dedicated palette item?

Using a plop or doit is also intriguing - still requires manual adjustment, but at least it is more clearly one-sided. Not that anyone would think to look for it there, but simply adding a new element to the falls/doits palette would achieve the result nicely. And FWIW, I've never cared for the idea of having a whole separate dedicated palette for those few symbols. Aren't they just lines, really?

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• Jun 5, 2013 - 20:21

I agree with Marc, using a tie for "laissez vibrer" is not good and we should have something specific, like the plop/doit but with the proper shape if needed. Ties in voltas, especially for playback would be a completely other ball game, so we could also provide a "graphical" tie before, like the ones in the plop/dot palette.
Ties should have two notes, adjacent or not for the "extended" tie feature. So I will keep trying to kill all instance of unconnected ties. And this bug is kind of fixed. Please report any unconnected tie.

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