Have dashed lyrics continue past tied notes
When you have a lyric whose syllables go past a tied note (for example, let's say the lyric includes the word "Mary", and you assign "Ma-" to the first note of a tied note, but "ry" comes on the next note after the tie), the current interface drops the dash continuation if you space bar past the second note in the tie. But having a tied pair sung as one syllable of a multi-syllable word is quite common. Is there a way to extend the "-" to another future note rather than disabling it if you space past the next note? After all, you inserted the "-" for a reason so there's no reason to drop it.
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why not use the "slurred" dash (_) in this case?
That works, sort of, but looses the -
So rather than "Ma_ry", It should really be "Ma_-ry" for the OP's example.
Could be achieved currently withentering the - as "<Ctrl>-", but I'd regard that a nasty workaround.
Oh yes, what you want is better, and you can obtain it. (I'll use it also)
Type the short dash as CTRLdash within the second syllable.
BTW use CTRLspace for spaces within a "syllable", mainly useful for italian bindings between words
and for spanish ones there is a special character in the F2 palette
If you have a note tied to another one and then another note. Write "Ma" below the first note then press twice "-" (dash) and enter "ria". The dash will not be removed. I close this feature request. Reopen if it doesn't answer your question.
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It doesn't answer the question or solves the Problem: If with "Ma-ry" the "Ma" spans 2 notes, I'd like to see "Ma_-ry". If the "ry" spans 2 Notes, I'd like to see "Ma-ry_". Onle the later works, the former either eats the "-" or doesn't show the "_".
Having the "_" and "-" only works with "Ma_<ctrl>-ry", which might serve as a workaround, but is not the Fix.
Another issue with those "_": Lilypond doesn't like them at all, it just assumes them if the notes are 'slurred' and the addtional "_" get associated with the next note
If I understand your question correctly, you want to have the first syllable of Mary span over two notes?
Just type the hyphen twice to move to the next note: Mar--y
But this does not indicate that the 1st sylables is supposed to have 2 notes.
And with e.g. Ma-ri-ann it is compltely unclear which of the first 2 sylables strechets accross 2 notes, Ma--ri-ann and Ma-ri--ann would look identical (only Ma-ri-ann_ would work properly.) And Ma_-ri-ann would lose the -
However it seems to me that using attached short dash with continuing syllab can solve any problem.
I mean:
compare Mary Ann and Mariann (pronounced in three syllabs), and with two notes for the second one
One would use: Ma-ry__Ann
Or even Ma-ry__ Ann (with an attached space beginning Ann
and Ma-ri__-ann with an attached short dash beginning -ann
so music and signification are both shown.
Ma--ri-ann and Ma-ri--ann do not look the same when you enter them in MuseScore. Have you tried? Can you share a picture to describe what you want. It appears we are not understanding each other.
Yes they do look different, but the Sylable before the -- has no indication that it belongs to 2 notes, at least not the same way as when using _, but using that in turn 'eats' the -, that's the whole point here (I think)
The Sylable before the -- doesn't even get centered between the 2 notes (like Lilypond does, and automatically when the notes are slurred) but remains left justfied to the 1st note.
Jojo-Schmitz, a hyphen is the standard way of indicating the syllable belongs to 2 notes. Having an underscore and then a hyphen is not something I have seen in a published score. For lyrics, a slur over the notes is used to indicate that a syllable belongs to several notes.
Actually LilyPond left justifies the first syllable of an hyphenated word, MuseScore currently centers the first syllable of a hyphenated word. Current versions of MuseScore shift the next note over even for melismatic syllables instead of letting it overlap with the rest of the melismatic notes. I agree that alignment and overlap could be improved.
I'm confused now: I think a hyphen indicates that a (multi syslable) word belongs to more than one note, each sylable to its own note and the underscore indicates that a sylable belongs to more than one note.
The problem starts when a word had more thzan one sylable and the any sylable but the last one has multiple notes.
Here I'd have to decide whether I don't use the _ as an indication or lose the -
And Lilypond centers a sylable between slurred notes (no need for an underscore, Lilypond figures that out by itself, actually underscores harm here, as they get attched to the next note)
In my experience underscores are only used at the end of words. My impression is underscores are a relatively recent development in music notation (during the 20th century) to replace syllabic beaming.
I think there is a misunderstanding here. An underscore is used only at the end of a word. Mary over a two tied notes and note would be Ma-ry without underscore and it's entered with Ma--ry.
The top poster was not aware that you could enter several dashes in a row to center it apparently.
If you have any example of a published score that use underscore in words, reopen this feature request but for me this issue was more a support request and so I close it.
Other feature request covers the way lilypond works #15358: Automatically-generated melisma lines
The problem with that is that MuseScore does not left align that sylable, but keeps it centered.
It still does this in de36470
I use 'Ma__-ry' as a workaround.
Then it's better to create a bug report for this problem with a file and step to reproduce. And not reopen that one that has nothing to do with alignment. Maybe append to that one if it's close enough #7495: Lyric Alignment Preference
That #7495: Lyric Alignment Preference doesn't cover the case discussed here and as per http://musescore.org/en/node/7495#comment-22992 it should rather get closed as being fixed.
I've now created #17190: Non-last lyric syllables on slurred/tied notes are centered rather than left aligned