Add metronome sound when exporting to mp3

• Jan 8, 2017 - 15:56
Reported version
3.0
Priority
P2 - Medium
Type
Functional
Frequency
Many
Severity
S5 - Suggestion
Status
active
Regression
No
Workaround
Yes
Project

As the title says. Even when I have specifically saved a score again after turning on the metronome, the exported mp3 has no metronome click.


Comments

This is deliberate. The metronome is not part of your score, it is just a temporary aid for playback. If you wish to include a click track in your score, you can create one manually.

However, someday a feature could be added to optionally allow these temporary settings like metronomes or play panel settings to be included in export as well, so I am reclassifying this as a feature request.

Reported version 2.1 3.0

I know for a fact that the metronome was exported in mp3 files in earlier version of musescore (at least until about two years ago). Are you sure that this has been removed by design and is not a bug?

Or maybe I am just confusing things and I have maybe produced these files with Sibelius? ;) If so then I'm sorry and, yeah I would definitely find this a useful feature. The built in metronome does a lot of useful stuff that would be quite a lot of extra work in a separate drum track. In make case - with contemporary music I usually have a change of tempo marking almost every singly bar. So I could not just copy the same bar of drums to the whole score...

Well, if in your opinion is not importatnt that is certainly bad news for me and the way I use musescore for studying complicated music. This is really something I would need very much.

Hi. I am interested in how a constant metronome click would vary from a constant drum click, and would appreciate it if you would expand on this idea.

The only way I could see this as being a problem is if you are changing the denominator of the time sig., and I don't think that would change the metronome.

Perhaps I'm missing something and I would appreciate being more informed.

Regards,

Reported version 3.0 2.1

The point of MP3 export is to produce a recording of your actual score, so if it isn't in the the score, it normally doesn't belong in the export. Sounds like you are trying to produce something different from a recording of your actual score - like maybe, you are trying to create a practice track. Often a better way to do that is to use the mobile app, or you could record the audio of the playback using Audacity or the like. Or simply use MuseScore for your practice. So there are definitely ways of generating practice tracks already. It's simply a feature request to have yet another way of doing this. It's not a bad idea, but do realize that generating practice tracks is getting outside the primary purpose of MuseScore (which is about notation first and foremost).

FWIW, some general things to know about the issue tracker, to help in classifying issues you file:

"Priority" doesn't necessarily how important something is to the person submitting it the issue -it really needs to reflect the needs of MuseScore users in general. Basically, without knowing for absolute certainly that an issue is higher than average priority for MuseScore users in general, you should simply use "normal" for all bugs and feature requests.

There is basically no such thing as "major" or "critical" for feature requests. I suppose if some new music notation were invented and instantly became a worldwide standard, it would be critical that we start supporting it, but we already support everything we absolutely need to.

For bugs, "Critical" means a crash, score corruption, or other loss of data/work. "Major" typically means a key feature is essentially unusable. And by "key feature", that normally means something relating to notation. For the most part, unless playback produces entirely the wrong results or crashes the program, nothing relating to playback is likely to be consider major or critical. Especially if the playback itself works fine for *its* primary intended purpose - hearing your actual score - but happens to not work as well for alternate purposes such as generating practice tracks.

"Component" should almost always be "Code" - that's what we would need to change in order to implement almost all bugs or feature requests.

The "Version" field is generally used to specify the first version to *have* the issue. No need to try to second guess which version might possibly be the first to contain a fix.

I understand. Just for clarification about the wrong labelling.
As you know this was not originally a feature request but a bug report, because my believe was that the recording of the click was broken and that it used to work in earlier versions, which now proved to be not the case. So since we know more now we can change the labelling ;)
Thank you for your time anyway.

@xavierjazz the metronome uses a higher pitched click on the one by default. When I have a score where time signatures constantly change randomly between for example 3/2 - 4/4 - 7/8 - 3/16 .... and so on, I think that creating a drum part that achieves the same would be a lot of extra work, while just switching on the metronome is no work at all.
Recording with audacity is for sure a solution I had already thought of myself. Just not as clean, simple and elegant as if when it could just be done by export.

Reported version 2.1 2.2

This would be an extremely useful feature, as I have musicians & students who practice to an MP3 of their own part, and there is no baseline for tempo when there is no starting count-in or click track. As this is only required on audio not on the actual score it makes sense to include as an optional export feature rather than write into the score itself. Very useful for teaching and practicing. In fact a better solution for me would be the ability to select the parts to include in an audio export as well as a metronome, for example the whole brass section, or the rhythm section.

Meanwhile, though, if you do create your own click track, you can make it invisible in the score via Edit / Instruments.

Also, you can already select which parts get included in the audio via View / Mixer.

Title metronome not recorded on exported mp3 Add metronome sound when exporting mp3
Priority P2 - Medium
Regression No
Workaround No
Workaround No Yes

Workaround is to add a percussion staff, fill the first measure with the desired rhythm and the rest with measure repeats, then hide that staff

Workaround Yes No

"The point of MP3 export is to produce a recording of your actual score, so if it isn't in the the score, it normally doesn't belong in the export. Sounds like you are trying to produce something different from a recording of your actual score - like maybe, you are trying to create a practice track."

I completely disagree. You won't ever make real recordings with MuseScore MP3, it is always meant to listen to a score, clarify any doubts on how it sounds, AND therefore practice in order to play it with some ensemble of artists. I've used musescore for a couple of years and used MP3 export a lot to guide musicians to follow arrangements correctly. What would be the point of MP3 export if not for that?

In that context I had to manually add clicks many times especially when time signature changes a lot, which is very common in nowadays music. I wonder what is the disadvantage in adding such feature, it would have saved me a lot of work.

It would be chaotic if the play panel "didn't work" because it had to compete with play-panel settings incoming in scores.... I vote to leave the way it is.

+1
For what it's worth - I would also like this feature to be included (if the metronome is checked, export with the click sound).
I used the workaround by adding a drum click but that certainly wasn't easy for me.
For playing complicated rythms I export the MP3, load it with my sheet music into forScore on an iPad and it's all in once place during practice.

Workaround Yes No

I vote for this option as well for the same reason expressed by others. It would be a great help when rehearsing. I also agree that adding a drum click as a workaround would be very cumbersome in a complex score.

Workaround Yes No

I'll add my upvote : I'm sending my students mp3 exports and it would be great to have that metronome export option fast and easy...

In reply to by Guillaume Hue

Title Add metronome sound when exporting mp3 Add metronome sound when exporting to mp3 AND with the video MP4 falies -after all they are clearly for rehearsal

Hi readers, I wish you all well in this time of trouble! I plead for adding the possibilty to make it hears as well. I think at least 50% of the users are the ones who make rehearsal files for their choirmembers, orchestra members and students in general. AND is this time of rehearsals online it has all the more become an absolute necessity. I know - corona will pass, but the phenomena online rehearsal will not. So please add the possibility to choose on exporting as a MP3 or preparing for videofiles (which is very much apprecieted!!) whether one yes or no want to add the metronome sound AND the directors counting off at the start of the piece. Thank you so much!

Title Add metronome sound when exporting to mp3 AND with the video MP4 falies -after all they are clearly for rehearsal Add metronome sound when exporting to mp3

the MuseScore program doesn't do MP4. the renderer on musescore.co, or its 'send to youtube' might, but neither is something we'd deal with here on musescore.org

Well, MP4 is not facilitated/provided by the MuseScore program for Windows, macOS, Linux. Maybe by musescore.com, not sure, but as such (still) nothing dealt with here

Severity S5 - Suggestion S3 - Major
Reported version 3.0 3.4

PLEASE!!! For all of us teachers out there attempting to help kids learn their parts alone. I love Musescore! I'd give it a 9/10 right now but this feature would put me at 10/10!!!!

Thank you!

I would really like this option too. It is easy enough for me to add an additional percussion track and add it in, but then I also want a count in option so I also have to add an extra bar. I don't want the extra bar in the PDF export, so after I've exported an MP3 I have to remove it again. It is all possible, but time consuming.

Just reading through this it seems like the idea is just getting shot down as a workaround exists, but I would like to add that especially now, when many orchestras are attempting to make mash-up recordings using click tracks, the time saved by enabling the metronome to export would be great.

I just came upon this page as well, after finding my export did not save the clicks. In my case, I specifically typed up an entire score so that I could add the metronome to it because I have rits that I want to have followed. Otherwise, I would have just used a click track. It would be nice to have the option in the Play Panel to enable during export, or to have a dialog when exporting (perhaps only showing up when the metronome/count-in is enabled). As an aside, the ability to specify the amount of count-in would be very useful too. Often find it too short.

Title Add metronome sound when exporting to mp3 Temporary workaround using external software

Used Audacity to record the computer internal sound, so I could play the file with the metronome click from directly within Musescore and be able to export an audio file that way. [https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/tutorial_recording_computer_playbac…] To export to mp3 Audacity requires "Lame". Both are entirely free.

To combine also video, I could also use Zoom Meetings / Bandicam / OBS Studio or any other screen recording software, and this can replace the MuseScore site link that has autoplay.

Hope this can help someone!

I would really like this option as well, it is extremely helpful to have an intelligent metronome that recognizes tempo changes, fermatas, etc. to practice with. The mp3 export would be great because:
1) I can use it to practice with without the computer/musescore
2) Easy to play in earbuds (I can't hear the puny computer speaker over my own playing)

Using all the mixer settings is a great idea, because it would be easy to make practice versions at different speeds and with different parts.

I tried creating a drum track but it was a huge amount of work to create AND maintain every time you tweak the music. I am trying to use the workaround of recording into Audacity but I can't get the loopback recording to work, and this is still a hassle because you have to wait through the playback to record, trim the endings, and so on.

Thanks for all your work on this, the metronome is an awesome practice feature already, this would make it even better!

I would also like this option. It's a really nice way to automatically create a click track for students who are reading off of an orchestral score with a lot of rests.

I would also like to put in my vote for this. With the COVID-19 pandemic, I have students who will be doing distance learning from home via Google Meet and Google Classroom. I am setting up a Google Classroom class with students' sheet music and mp3 files, which would allow them to practice their parts with the exported sound files at home. Most parts don't have notes in every measure, so there needs to be a way for them to count a measure or multiple measures of rests during practice, and a metronome click would easily accomplish this.

Just continuing to tell those of us advocating for this feature to do the workaround isn't really productive. I would have to create another staff on the score, put in the quarter notes, hide the staff in the instrument list, and then export each part individually remembering to include that percussion click staff every time. And I would have to do this for every score. With the metronome option, I could choose "Export Parts" as mp3 files, and it's all done at one time without all the extra work.

MuseScore wasn't created for realistic playback like the Garriton sounds on Finale, so it's exported mp3 files are for rehearsal only at best. Having a metronome click track is exactly what many need for rehearsing. I truly don't understand the resistance to this feature being added. It's obviously wanted and could be an option that could be enabled for those that want it or disabled for those who don't with a simple check box or option in the settings.

Agreed. It would also be super cool if there would be a way to specify a different volume, or sound, for the first tick of a measure. Ultimately that's a nice to have.

When you combine the ability to export a metronome tick along with the upcoming chord playback feature in MuseScore 3.5, this would enable an automatic backing track with a makeshift rhythm section to help everyone practice. It would easily enable MuseScore to be used for functionality similar to iRealPro.

Here is how REAPER allows for metronome customization. In particular, the distinction between primary and secondary beats is useful to help musicians keep track of their place in time.

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If we had this directly supported, I would be able to programmatically generate practice tracks for every MuseScore file I ever create without having to manually program a drum track, which would be a huge win a project of mine that involves over 500 MuseScore files.